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Are the books available as physical copies or on Kindle?

We will work on getting physical copies published in the first half of 2019.

There will not be Kindle editions. The graphs and training program tables do not lend themselves well to the format.

Who are the books written for?

These books have been written with physique athletes, strength athletes, and those that coach them, primarily in mind. However, the majority of our readers are just regular people, but serious recreational trainees. If you are a novice looking for a comprehensive approach to muscle gain and or fat loss and have some basic information to start, you’ll be good with these. But if you don’t know how to perform basic exercises, and aren’t totally clear on what macros are or have any idea of how to match them to foods, then this won’t be for you just yet.

What do you mean by, “free future versions, forever”?

Every time we write a new edition of the books, you will receive fresh download links. The 14,000 people that bought the first editions received these second editions 10 days prior to general release on the 25th of December as a Christmas surprise.

Note: this offer only applies to those that buy the digital pair set. Those who buy just the one book will need to purchase any future editions. There is no upgrade offer and this cannot cover any physical editions.

Are the books fully referenced?

Yes. There are 158 unique references in the training book and 301 unique references in the nutrition book, listed at the end of each of the chapters.

What's new in the second editions?

The books are heavily updated and there is around 50% more content. We have a couple of pages dedicated to outlining the changes and new content in detail, but I'll briefly outline what is new.

New Content in the Training Book:

  • A “Quick Start” guide to program building,
  • How to address weak points,
  • The flowchart for when to adjust volume includes other considerations related to recovery, stimulus, and adaptation.
  • Volume counting has been simplified, no longer quantified by repetitions per body part, but rather sets per muscle group or movement pattern.
  • A flowchart to help you determine when a deload is needed.
  • How to gauge progress without testing strength.
  • A discussion of blood flow restriction training.
  • Setting initial volume by experience level.
  • Pairings for rep ranges and proximity to failure with different classes of exercises
  • How to modify training while cutting,
  • How to incorporate autoregulation,
  • Which progression models to pair with different exercises at various stages of your lifting career,
  • How to organize a training split.

New Content in the Nutrition Book:

  • How to determine whether you should ‘bulk’ or ‘cut’.
  • A chapter on making adjustments and measuring progress,
  • Ketogenic diets,
  • The ins and outs of peak week for physique competitors, and making weight (and changing weight classes) for strength athletes,
  • Recovery diet guidelines for physique athletes post-competition,
  • A deeper discussion around finding maintenance,
  • Energy availability, with signs and symptoms to be wary of,
  • Whether tracking caloric intake is necessary initially,
  • How to set protein if your body fat is very high,
  • A visual chart to help you determine hydration levels,
  • Protein digestion as it relates to protein timing,
  • Updated supplement recommendations including a new “A, B, C” tiered ranking system,
  • Extensive additions on the potential psychological pitfalls of relying too much on external nutrition cues (tracking nutrition and bodyweight) and how to use qualitative approaches guided by satiety, hunger, and habit based methods to avoid them.

Does the training book contain sample training programs?

Absolutely. We have six programs for novice, intermediate, and advanced-level bodybuilders and strength-focussed athletes. You will see the principles in action and get started quickly.

Does the nutrition book contain any actual example macro plans of real competitors? What about meal plans?

We don’t have a specific athlete’s example of a full prep (for privacy), but we have example calculations based on real people that we’ve worked with. You’ll see many pictures of these individuals throughout the book’s chapters. We’re very proud of them.

Why offer the money-back guarantee, isn’t that a little unusual for a book?

It is unusual, but here’s the deal: the overwhelming majority of people are decent and honest and don’t abuse offers like this. While we’re confident that you’ll enjoy and get an immense amount of value out of these books, we know that they are not cheap and we want you to feel confident in your purchase. So, if you read them and don’t feel that you got your money’s worth, let us know within 30 days and we’ll give you a full refund.

How do these books build on your 2013 and 2015 Youtube video series?

Great question. Consider those videos the cliff notes and highlight-reel version of these books, without the most recent research that has come out since they were originally recorded. So while the books cover the same broad principles as the videos, they go into far greater levels of detail and cover more context and nuance. The books are around 300 pages each.

Where can I leave feedback?

We value and welcome feedback as that will help us make future editions better. Andy has created a feedback form here.

What’s the reason for the change of the training programs from the first to the second editions?

The weight of the evidence suggests 10–20 hard sets per muscle/group or movement is an appropriate volume to prescribe when no foreknowledge of individual needs/tolerance/genetics exist.

Previously, the first edition programs were based on a 12-year old systematic review (Wernbom 2007) that looked at reps per body part, per week vs. the current meta-analyses we have today, based on ‘hard sets’ per body part/movement per week. Thus, in the present programs, there were instances where we decided to reduce the volume as the first edition programs had volume that was too high based on current evidence.

We have brought volume in line such that the novice programs provide a number of sets per movement/muscle group towards the low end of 10-20, intermediate towards the middle, and advanced towards the upper end.

This may or may not be less volume than what you are already doing, what you like to do, what ‘feels’ right or compared to other popular programs or what your favorite athlete or influencer does or suggests. But, unless you are an experienced lifter who knows from well-recorded observations over years what your specific volume needs are, I’d advise at least trying to progress using similar volumes to what we recommend first, before deciding it’s too low.

If you don’t make progress and it’s too easy… fantastic, just do more volume and now you know more about your body’s needs. But in my experience as a coach, it’s just as likely (if not more likely) that you could progress just as well, if not faster, with a lower volume. If that ends up being what happens for you, you also just learned something very valuable; and when you do stall moving forward, you know you’ll easily be able to handle a volume increase to keep progress going as it was an amount you used to (unnecessarily) perform.

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870 Comments

  1. Chris

    Seeing as it’s easy to gain back lost muscle due to cell nuclei, why not dreamer bulk to a very high weight to maximize the muscle you have, cut down(even if you lose some muscle it’s ok) all the way to a single digit, then lean bulk back up. This way you have the cell nuclei of the muscle gained already which will make it easy to gain back, and this time by lean bulking you’ll minimize fat gains to almost none with lean gains?

    Am i theoretically wrong?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Pushing body fat above 20% come increased health risks, plus, putting on a lot of weight can potentially have a long-term impact on hunger signaling, making sustaining a lower level of body fat permanently harder.

      Reply
  2. Giovanni

    Hello colleagues,
    I am an italian PhD student in Nutrition. I would buy the nutrition book, will I find bibliographic references in the text?
    Thanks

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Giovanni. A ‘bibliography’, technically, means a list of the books we have referred to. We didn’t refer to books, but specific papers within scientific journals. There are 301 unique references in the nutrition book, listed at the end of each of the chapters.

      Reply
  3. Mike

    Hi team! Awesome job with the new editions and sorry for my english.

    I’ve read some post that say that deadlifts and squats increase waist proportions in women, and other posts say that they doesn’t.

    The training pyramid book talks about exercise selection but it’s more on the performance and efficiency of training rather than choosing exercises on aesthetics.

    What’s your opinion (or what the research says if any)? Does deadlifts and squats increase waist size thus affecting their general look?

    I tried to search for “waist” but it doesn’t found anything relatable.

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Mike,
      Thank you for the question. Think of it like this:

      The “waist” is a set of muscles — the lower back, the obliques, and the abs. If you train these, they get bigger, very gradually, over time. Squats and deadlifts will train this region indirectly, as will any exercise where there is spinal loading. If you don’t want this to happen, you could choose your exercises to avoid this, but you need to be careful to not compromise overall training quality.

      Note my wording there, “very gradually”. For the majority of people, this is something they worry about unduly.

      Reply
  4. Thomas

    just wondering if its okay to use double progression on compounds like squat, bench and deadlift? For some reason i really struggle with wave loading, like i can do the first cycle fine but i always end up failing at some point on the second cycle.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Thomas,
      You certainly could, but there may be another issue causing that. Have a read through the checklist we have here.

      Reply
  5. Amir

    Two questions
    1. The volume flow chart doesn’t indicate when you need to change method of progression. How do you know when you need to change from novice to intermediate progression rather than just adding volume and sticking with novice progression?
    2. In the novice bodybuilding program section it says
    “If you then stall once again, use the same progression pattern, but start increasing the load only half as much week to week as you were previously.”
    So if you stall again, then you deload by 10% again, and work your way back up but just in smaller increments?
    So:
    – stall
    – deload 10%
    – stall
    -deload 10% again and work back up in smaller increments

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Amir,
      2) Yes, exactly.
      1) I have my own thoughts but would like to tag Eric in to answer this one so I can hear them also.

      Reply
  6. Chris

    Hey Eric,

    Do you find that doing max reps until a target rpe for a given amount of sets with a selected load is easier to control progressive overload on than a first set rpe? Itd be easier to overshoot/undershoot a first set rpe if you are fatigued/feeling good, as opposed to having no rep target, no?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      You could, yes, but it’s simple enough to just adjust the load if your first set is over or under. And with experience, you’ll know from your warm-up sets whether that’s likely to be the case.

      Reply
  7. Smith

    What are your thoughts on deloading a specific body part rather than collectively when needed? So for example, your legs feel fatigued, so you do the Deload protocol for the lower body days, but keep the volume/intensity as regular for the upper body days.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Sure, you can try this. Sometimes the fatigue is specific to a body part, sometimes it’s system wide.

      Reply
  8. Chris

    How come there is a first set target rpe for intermediates but a rpe range for advanced? Wouldn’t having a range mean having to adjust load set to set more often?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Fatigue management is more of a concern for the advanced trainee, who has higher training volumes.

      Reply
  9. Nicolas

    Hi team!

    i’ll be concise

    If we measure volume in sets because same sets produce same hypertrophy even when reps are way different (like 3 -10) does 4×1 RPE 8 produce the same hypertrophy as 4×12 RPE 8 ? is there a bottom line of reps we have do or time we have to spend under tension to maximally develope muscles? why i haven’t read anything about the 40-70 reps x muscle x session?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Nicolas,

      1. “why i haven’t read anything about the 40-70 reps x muscle x session?”

      This was in the first edition, we removed it from the second because peter studies now exist.

      Previously, the first edition book programs were based on a 12-year old systematic review (Wernbom 2007) that looked at reps per body part, per week. The current meta-analyses we have are based on ‘hard sets’ per body part/movement per week.

      2. “If we measure volume in sets because same sets produce same hypertrophy even when reps are way different…”

      “Number of sets” is a way of counting volume, but other factors are still important, rep ranges being one.
      Have another read of the summary recommendations for the percentage of sets performed in different rep ranges for hypertrophy in the VIF chapter. Then have another look within the chapter where we explain the recommendations.

      3. is there a bottom line of reps we have do or time we have to spend under tension to maximally develope muscles?

      Please have a read of ‘Time Under Tension’ section of Level 6 on page 192.

      ——————–

      I deleted your other two comments. I’ll post the reason in full here for you and others reading.

      Two days ago you posted a long comment with ten(!) separate questions. I deleted it and asked you to refer to the comment rule 3, which says: “Write clearly and concisely. Have respect for the time of other readers. Long-winded questions will be deleted. If you cannot write concisely, it is not within the scope of the comments.”

      Your response to this has been to just split your long comment into three separate comments with this, the first and briefest of those three. This is not fair use and I have deleted the other two.

      Of the three questions you have asked in this first comment, two of the three are directly addressed in the text. I understand that this may be a language issue, but we can’t be here to clear up multiple misunderstandings due to language ability — it’s beyond what is sustainable. Moreover, if we are here to unconditionally answer, you’ll come to rely on us and won’t learn.

      Have another read of the text. Once you’ve understood and absorbed it, feel free to ask questions again. We won’t answer until then.

      Reply
  10. Nicolas

    Hi!

    First of all sorry for my english, i’m italian

    I’ve just finished reading your training pyramind V2 and ,due to the critical thinking that i have developed, i have some topics that i would like to discuss

    [Deleted. See comment rule 3 on length.]

    Reply
  11. Chris

    Quote from the book:

    “If you were to do 3 sets of bench with your 8RM load, and on your first set you maxed out and went to failure getting 8 reps, you would probably drop down to 6 on your second set, and then possibly 5 reps on your third. This will be 19 reps total.
    However, if you were to stop and just do 7 reps on the first set, you may be able to maintain 7 reps for the next two sets as well. This will be 21 reps total.
    In this way, it’s easy to see that we can hurt the amount of volume that we can do by going to failure too frequently.“

    Question.. I thought volume is measured by number of hard sets. So why does it matter if in the above example you did 21 reps instead of 19? You still did 3 hard sets.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Chris, excellent question and that’s a savvy catch of you. Couple things to consider here, for one a set “counts fully” towards hypertrophy if the set lasts long enough, and has a high level of effort, and doesn’t have a ridiculously low load (say below 30-40% 1RM). A good rule of thumb is that adequately hard sets in the 6-20 rep range can be reasonably assumed to have a similar effect. Within session, if your reps start to fall off so much that you’re completing less than this range (as in the example), you’re losing some volume.

      But probably more important, is the issue of failure session to session. Couple studies I’d want to direct you to (ideally you read the full texts, but I understand that’s a lot of reading, the abstracts of these will get the principal conclusions across):
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16410373
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30036284
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28713535
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28965198
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29189407
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29809061

      The above collectively indicate that hypertrophy and strength/power adaptations are the same or worse when training to failure, or that acute volume performance on repeated sets is lower, or that muscle damage remains elevated for longer following training that is to failure. That said, obviously in a vacuum, within a single set you will get a greater stimulus for hypertrophy if a set is taken to failure as you’ll do more reps with a given load and more reps at a higher level of motor unit activation and tension, as the reps slow while you are maximally contracting against the load.

      The important question is how does this affects central fatigue and muscle damage? Failure seems to cause more central fatigue, which can lower voluntary activation on subsequent sets and exercises within session, and excessive muscle damage can delay hypertrophy and may prevent damaged fibers from being exposed to an effective stimulus in subsequent training. Essentially, how close to failure you go to within session, and during a specific phase, depends on your goals and individual recuperative capabilities. If the interaction of failure, session volume, total weekly volume, and frequency per body part is out of balance due to failure, it may lower your total volume or frequency over time.

      So, being tactical and thinking conceptually about when failure might aid or hinder you is important. Obviously going to failure on 3 sets of squats, even with a spotter, could result in poorer performance in the rest of a leg session, and lingering fatigue that negatively effects performance a few days later when you attempt another leg day.

      Furthermore, in a recent study I did where one group trained to a 5-6 RPE on bench and squats compared to another that progressed from a 5 to a 9 RPE over 8 weeks found no significant differences between groups in hypertrophy of the pecs or quads, and both groups grew significantly compared to baseline, so the actual importance of failure for hypertrophy needs to be evaluated more.

      https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2018.00247/full

      Hopefully this helps!

      Reply
  12. Lui Hung

    Team,

    I am currently reading the second edition of the training book and i cannot figure out how you got 12 sets for biceps and triceps on page 93? I count 19 sets for tricep and 18 for bicep from page 92. I counted all primary and secondary muscle groups from the exercises as per table on page 84. What am i missing?

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Nothing! This is actually a typo, apologies and thank you for catching it! This was actually a typo from an earlier iteration when I was thinking of not counting exercises in which a muscle group was “secondary”.

      Reply
  13. Adam

    What is the consensus on locking out your joints (e.g., elbows/knees) during exercises? Is it safe and healthy? Are there times not to do it? Or, is locking out simply considered full range of motion?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Totally fine for the majority of people the majority of the time. Don’t bang out light sets with so much force at the lockout that it jars the joints. If you’re hyper-flexible, it’s prudent to not bend backward but stop when the load is supported vertically by aligned bone structure and not further.

      Reply
  14. Daniel

    What is the recommended deload protocol for rest-pause and drop sets? Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      We don’t have a set of rules for these, but same principles apply: when you’re deloading, you want to do less.

      Reply
  15. Gary

    What should I do if I was in an overtrained state? The training book doesn’t mention what to do if overtraining. I wasn’t getting any pumps,joint pain, involuntary muscle contractions,muscle spasms, no appetite etc… I practically took off from the gym for a while and increased my calories but nothing has gotten better. Just looking for some guidance. Thank you.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Up until I read “no appetite”, lighter workouts for a period or some more time off, was my initial thought. But when you couple that with no appetite, that could be an unrelated medical issue. Consider seeing a doctor.

      Reply
      • Gary

        Appetite was the wrong word. I meant to say I have no hunger cues. But I will take your advice and stay out of gym until side effects go away. I just don’t know how long it’ll take before I feel good again. Thanks

        Reply
  16. Alex

    Hi Guys. Sorry for wall of text below, but I’m desperately frustrated

    [“Wall” Deleted. See comment rule 3 on length.]

    Reply
  17. Semar Augusto

    I loved the books and the email course. I got so much value from it.

    I’ve got two questions about training

    Just for context, I consider myself to be an Intermediate trainee and I’ve been running the intermediate bodybuilding template for half a mesocycle now (about 3 years in the gym and only 1 year of “intelligent” programming)

    1 – I have hyper extending knees. No problems for leg training in general but back extensions are really uncomfortable. I’ve been thinking about switching the exercise for below the knee rack pulls. Not because I love the exercise or anything, just because I couldn’t think of a better substitution. What do you think of this change? Do you have another suggestion?

    2 – Suppose I start the week feeling like I would have decent training. However, after a fatiguing session like a leg day, my performance dropped and I realized that I actually was overreaching and in need of a deload. In terms of autoregulating the deload, do you think I should drop the volume in the middle of the week or wait until the end to begin an actual deload?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      1. Mine do this too. I just have to contract hard to keep them from doing it. If that’s not possible, barbell good mornings for more of a lower back focus; cable pull-throughs or hip thrusts for more of a glute focus.
      2. Sure, your body doesn’t recognize things as split into separate weeks.

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  18. Salvatore

    My question is about lifting tempo, in particular for someone (novice bodybuilder) who in eccentric phase doesn’t feel the “muscle action” as mentioned in book and using a slower eccentric ( 3-4 seconds) It helps him to feel the muscle action. Does this make sense doing a faster eccentric than 3-4 seconds to not sacrifice volume and load, but not feeling the muscle action? In this case is more important “feeling the muscle action” or volume and load?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Purposefully delaying the eccentric action to focus on feeling at the start, unless that directly helps with form, will likely just hold back progress. Focus on form, the feeling will come with time.

      Reply
  19. Chaz

    Hi team, it’s me again,

    I have two questions:

    1. I have a client that happens to have quite poor balance. They cannot keep balanced on most single legged exercises, such as Bulgarian split squat, step up, single-legged squat, etc. Even with bodyweight, low loads, or minimizing the balance time, they simply cannot perform these exercises. This trainee is new, so I imagine overall progression may help, but how can I help this trainee’s balance, overall? Are there any particular exercises or special considerations?

    2. That same client has very long femurs and a short torso (this may be related to the above question?). This issue is stated in the book as a particular biomechanical issue, however, it’s not entirely clear what the “optimal” exercise alternatives would be for a trainee of this kind. Could you walk me through exercise selection (and more, perhaps?) for an individual such as this? Also note that, since this is the same client, single-legged work is difficult to program.

    This client is a doozy!

    Thanks again for all the great work,

    Chaz

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Balance is a skill that will improve over time. Start the easier (but similar) movements that stretch them but they are able to do with effort (lower the load, shorten the range of motion) so that they build confidence. If they can’t do even a small step up on one foot with their body weight, they probably need to be referred to a physical therapist.

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      • Chaz

        Thank you for your reply, Andy!

        The client is a female, so perhaps that is why she cannot do a step up with body weight alone. For now, she has been doing box squats with weight at a very high height (i.e., roughly at the waist). Do you recommend any particular exercise(s) that may initiate the start of increased balance?

        Thank you,

        Chaz

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          She can do a step up if you use a smaller step, Chaz.

          Reply
  20. Kristiyan Atanasov

    Great work guys! You really did an awesome job updating the books!

    Question about the block periodization:

    [Accumulation block] – you say that we should start with 2x/week training frequency in week 1, however the sample advanced bodybuilding program has a frequency of 3x/week in Week 1.

    For example for the quads we’ve got:

    Day 1: Sq variant, SL variant
    Day 3: LP variant, Leg Ext
    Day 5: Sq variant

    My math just doesn’t add up.

    I know that we shouldn’t blindly follow the sample programs and I’d rather focus on the advice from p. 134 but I’d really appreciate your feedback on this!

    Regards,
    Kris

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Kris, the examples of a block periodized progression in the progression chapter, and the advanced program aren’t the same. They are both iterations of different ways you can set up a program. If you read the last paragraph about the advanced bodybuilding program in the sample chapter guide, I believe it’s page 235 off the top of my head, it discusses the differences between the quick start guide and level 3 examples specifically. That should clear things up for you 🙂

      Reply
  21. David Gilleland

    How do we find the sample programs through the Gravitus app?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      David, currently we are in the beta testing stage, and we’ve only done a trial run of the first edition novice bodybuilding program. This year we’ll be launching all 6 second edition programs and I’ll make announcements on my IG @helms3dmj and via our 3DMJ newsletter and Pyramids email list when we do. Hope you are enjoying Gravitus!

      Reply
  22. Chaz

    Hi Team,

    First of all, thank you all for the amazing effort that you put into these new editions. The added content is highly useful, especially the quick start guide that are very practical for everyday use. Love it.

    I had just a few questions regarding Women’s fitness needs:

    1. Do you recommend any special considerations for women who are exercising during the cycle? For example, I’ve noticed that the women I train simply cannot do as much load and volume during this time. I’ve mostly used deloads during this time as a consequence, but I’m not sure if that’s helpful for them.
    2. Regarding progressive load patterns, do women have any specific needs? Most of my clients plateau quite quickly with linear load increases, so perhaps using more intermediate or advanced styles of progression may be more useful?

    Thanks again for the new editions. You all rock!

    Chaz

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Chaz, I’ll have to let Eric answer this as I don’t work with women. He’s due to check in with the comments on Monday.

      Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Chaz,
      Thanks for the questions:

      1) Women are (should be if they are pre-menopausal and not taking certain types of contraceptives) always cycling, so they are always “during” the cycle if you will. A good read I would recommend is this one by my colleague Greg Nuckols https://www.strongerbyscience.com/menstrual-cycle-contraceptives-complete-guide-athletes/ that will help you understand the cycle and what points might affect training and nutrition variables.
      2) Almost all of the differences in load progression would be related to the absolute loads being smaller. For example, a woman of average weight might be progressing towards a 50kg bench press as an intermediate or late stage novice, and adding 2.5kg to that is a 5% increase. A man of an average weight might be progressing towards a 100kg bench press as an intermediate or late stage novice, and adding 2.5kg to that is a 2.5% increase. But, proportionally, women progress as fast (if not faster) than men in strength when looking at the literature (another great one by Greg on that https://www.strongerbyscience.com/strength-training-women/), so just make sure to account for appropriate relative increases in load vs absolute.

      Good luck!

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      • Chaz

        Dr. Helms,

        Thank you for clearing that up, and thank you for the great resources.

        Chaz

        Reply
  23. abdulrahman

    if progression is stalled while using intermediate progression, shall i add more volume (sets) or switch to advanced progression?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Abdul, either of those things could be right, however, there are a few things you should check first. Have a look at our, “when unsure how to progress flowchart” on page 122. I made an article on this topic from the book’s content if you find it useful and would like to share it with friends. How to Break Training Plateaus

      Reply
  24. Mike

    Did the book exist in french language ?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Mike, there are no foreign language editions currently available, no plans for a French edition.

      Reply
  25. Tim

    Okay, just went through the excellent nutrition book now and have a nutrition question:

    Is there any value to adding occasional cutting phases for someone looking to bulk without getting fat?

    Seems like for your average lifter, cutting is just so much more efficient (.5%-1% BW/week, holy mackerel) that you could cut down BF % significantly in just a month before resuming the slow grind toward bulking.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Tim, thanks for the question. Sure, you can use that strategy, but be careful not to have bulking periods so short that you don’t make any meaningful progress. This article of mine may be worth your time:
      https://rippedbody.jp/how-to-bulk/

      Reply
  26. rob

    in regards to approaching near failure for hypertrophy and I suppose it makes logical sense since its all on a continuum and suppose it comes down to most optimal approach. can it be argued or at least make logical sense to apply for training that from a hypertrophy perspective many say training with an 8.5-9 Rpe makes the most sense. However, if one is using a weight over 70% of their 1RM and is training at much lower Rpe ~6-8 and is applying progressive tension overload and is increasing weight over time while also accumulating vol(sets X reps) wont hypertrophy be basically the same without having to go to close to failure and the weight is heavy enough to begin with to accommodate adaptions. In the training book it is advised for hypertrophy to use a 5-8.5 rpe over the course of the sets as RPE will rise, however 5 is extremly light.However, if its at or above 70% it is techincally “heavy enough” therefore cant less reps be done that arent so close to failure? thus accumulatig volume and adding tension progressively just at the lower RPE? The person will also get the benefit of great fatigue management as training to failure truly smokes many. is this less then an optimal approach since the weight is “heavy enough” just not doing the max reps for that weight sticking with the much lower rpe?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The main reason there are some 5 RPE values listed for hypertrophy work is because how quickly fatigue mounts in some people is different than others. Depends on how conditioned you are. Your perspective on hypertrophy being about accumulating volume that is heavy enough is useful. The primary goal is to ensure that you don’t miss reps and secondarily that subsequent training isn’t hindered by excessive fatigue and that you are not going against the purpose of the micro/mesocycle. So for example in an intro week or an accumulation block early in the year you’d probably want to see last RPE on high volume days not go over 8.5. However in an intensity block 9 or the occasional 9.5 might be warranted.

      Reply
  27. Joe

    Hey Eric and Andy, I loved the nutrition book, my question is what body fat range should I juggle my lean mass phases and cuts to build muscle while still looking lean and like I actually work out? Even better is there a way I can maintain my preferred level of body fat (10%) while gaining muscle (even if it’s at a slower rate)? The most difficult part of bodybuilding for me is that it seems like its a 2 steps forward and 1 step back process in where you have to go through gaining phases of looking progressively worse, feeling less confident, and looking like you don’t workout to put on muscle and then go through a dieting phase to get lean and feel good again and look a little bit better. It seems like bodybuilding has you spending more time looking worse and feeling less confident in your physique than it does making you look better and feeling more confident about your physique, which isn’t the reason we bodybuild to look and feel better and increase our confidence. The “look worse now to briefly look better in the future” is the biggest psychological roadblock for me personally.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Joe, thanks for the question. 10-15% for physique focussed people, slightly higher for power athletes. In my opinion, in general, not negating personal preference.

      Reply
  28. Justin

    Hi Eric! Is it possible to order the training book only? I am much more interested in training than nutrition (blasphemy!!). Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Yes, keep scrolling down the sales page and you’ll see that option.

      Reply
  29. Tim

    Thanks so much for the terrific training book, guys. I purchased it for the sample program (the fish) and now find myself designing my own program (fishing for my own damn self!).

    1) Eric wrote above that he typically rotates accessory exercises every 8 weeks. Is there any benefit for a bodybuilder in rotating the big lifts as well?

    2) For a 7-8 RPE exercise (non-deload/accumulation etc week): I understand a 7-8 RPE guideline is for the first set, and with a constant weight the final set should end up around 9ish RPE. What if I aim for 8-9 RPE on my first set and then increase or decrease the weight each set to remain around 8-9 RPE across all sets? I think Cressey recommends something like this.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Tim, thank you for the questions.
      1. Rotate for the same reasons if you feel it necessary.
      2. Sure, that’s another legitimate way of going about things. You may find that the cumulative fatigue effects become more of an issue that way however given that you’re always training to a higher RPE.

      Reply
  30. Oliver

    Is there a rule of thumb how the maintenance goes down with every kg/pound bw that we lose in a diet?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Oliver, thanks for the question. Unfortunately no, adaptations vary. Tracking and adjusting based on progress is paramount. Did you see the Diet Adjustments Mastery course that we put up covering that for our readers yet? You can find it here.

      Reply
  31. Matt

    Hey Eric and Andy, I love the nutrition book and it allowed me to get to 8% body fat for the first time in my life and it was easier than I thought. My question is if I can gain muscle eating at maintenance calories and focusing on progressing in gym? I know the rate of weight gain is for maximal muscle growth with minimal fat storage but if it’s possible to gain muscle, albeit at a slower pace, without body fat by eating at maintenance I’d like to pursue that route if it actually works.

    Thanks,
    Matt

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Matt, thanks for the question. Not to any significant degree no. Your body fat is already exceptionally low and we can’t make something from nothing.

      Reply
  32. Greg

    Hey Eric and Andy, if I plateau on the intermediate program at the highest volume but I’m currently cutting, should I switch to an advanced program or continue the intermediate program until I’m done with the cut and plateau when I’m not in a calorie deficit? I know I can make gains on a cut but I didn’t know if plateauing during a cut means I’ve gotten the most out of the that program and should move on too advanced or if I’m plateaued bc I’m dieting.

    Thanks,
    Greg

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Greg. Don’t “switch” routines, adjust what you are currently with based on the principles you’ve learned. If you’re currently recovering fine, keep with it. If not, consider reducing volume.

      Reply
  33. javier

    Thank you for these wonderful resources!

    I had one question: Could I do 3×6-8 for all of the compounds in the intermed. routine instead of what is prescribed? I can’t lift in low repetition ranges due to a medical condition. The volume is worked out to be nearly identical.

    Thank you

    Reply
  34. Oliver

    In the chapter “Issues With Both Low And High Intensity Training”, we learn’t that with the same volume both rep ranges (high/low) get the same hypertrophie. Then there is this sentence which confuses me. “For light loading, it
    forces you to go near to failure, turning each session into a potential puke party, just to
    get on nearly (but not quite) equal footing as moderate or heavy loading.” If you train at RPE 5-6 with high volume (for instance 3×10 with 60% of your max), won’t you get enough stimulus because the load is “to light” and you fall out of that 1-15RM? That means, we have to train at higher intensetys/RPEs in the higher rep ranges. Like RPE 7-9 on 3×10? This question is applied to the first compound movment on a hypertrophie day, not on any backoff sets or second exercises.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Oliver, thanks for the question. Another way of writing that would be to say, “Light loads require comparably more effort and pain to get not-quite as good a result as moderate to heavy loading. This in reference to loads where more than 15+ reps will need to be performed.

      Reply
  35. Alexander

    Could I use the Leg/Push/Pull part of the intermediate template and run it as a 4 day per week rotating split? It would be hitting each muscle group once every fifth day.

    I.e.
    Week 1: Legs/Push/Off/Pull/Legs/Off/Off
    Week 2: Push/Pull/Off/Legs/Push/Off/Off
    Week 3: Pull/Legs/Off/Push/Pull/Off/Off

    Week 3’s last three workouts would follow the deload plan.

    Thanks guys!

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  36. Marco

    First of all, the books are awesome!! 🙂
    I had a shouder surgery (3 moths without training) how do I approach the comeback, I was an intermediate, do I follow the intermediate routines or because I am detrained the lower volume on the beginners routines are better? Sorry for the english

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      First, consult your doctor to see what they recommend. However, any time you can progress faster, it is advisable to do so. So in a general sense, when one is detrained, start with the beginner progression until you can no longer progress at that rate, then move to intermediate.

      Reply
      • Marco

        Thanks for the reply Eric! I really learned a lot from your videos and books, not just about training but how to think (critical thinking!), hope your Phd is going great! Greetings from South America! 🙂

        Reply
        • Eric Helms

          You are very welcome and thank you!

          Reply
  37. Justin

    Hey guys, on page 155 of the training book, just wondering if the recommendation of Sq variant and DL variant on day 1 are listed to use both on the same day or choose one of the exercises and alternate/rotate them every week? And would there be a similar trend on the other days?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The programs are to be done as listed. In any case where alternating is supposed to happen it would be marked as such.

      Reply
  38. Neil

    I was wondering the way that the intermediate bodybuilding is set up in the fact that it has legs on Monday and Wednesday, wouldn’t this affect leg recovery if you are still a bit sore on your Wednesday workout?

    would training Mon.- Fri. (the way the program is set up) be any different then training mon., tues, rest, thurs, fri, sat, rest, rest?

    Thanks again, i really liked the books and it is awesome to finally see my progression in the gym , this way of training is a lot more enjoyable then spending hours and hours and hour sin the gym, when the same amount of work can be done in 1-1.5

    Thanks again, i really enjoyed the books

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Neil, you’re welcome and glad to hear you are progressing!

      To answer your question, the book does not have the schedule for the intermediate program set up as Monday-Friday, it has days listed as Day 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. That is the order the workouts are performed, not the weekly schedule. Feel free to do 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off. We leave this open as everyone has different schedules.

      Reply
  39. Andre

    There are mixed views online as to whether to count them or more specifically, whether to count them as 4 calories per gram.

    This mixed viewpoint is what led me to ask the question here.

    Do you not have any scientific information on this matter?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Andre, I wouldn’t say there are mixed views. Simply put amino acids are the building blocks of protein, thus a gram of amino acids has the same energetic value as a gram of protein. Some regulatory bodies don’t “count” the calories in amino acids because they aren’t whole proteins but this is related to regulatory wording rather than actual energy content.

      Reply
  40. Andre

    Do the calories in BCAA count as 4 calories per gram?

    20 grams of BCAA = 80 Calories?

    Reply
  41. Pete

    If one were training for Men’s Physique specifically, could I follow the Intermediate example program as Upper/Lower/Off/Push/Pull/Off/Off? I do not want to overdevelop my legs.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Pete, if your legs being too big is an issue then you could do that, yes.

      Reply
  42. Jared

    Hey Eric and Andy, the book mentions nutrient timing as being down to personal preference assuming overall macros for the day are hit. Does this apply to fasted training as well? Specifically I prefer intermittent fasting where I skip breakfast and have 2 meals, one moderate sized at lunch and one feast at dinner, this allows me to keep within my calorie budget in the easiest most enjoyable way but it’s most convenient to train first thing in the morning. Will it cause negative effects to train fasted around 7 am and have my first meal at 11-noon? (Assuming I hit my macros for the day)
    Thanks
    Jared

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jared. Sure, feel free to do that, just have some BCAAs before and after your training. I have a guide to meal timing only site here.

      Reply
  43. David

    Hey Eric and Andy, I recently lost 25 pounds of fat using the nutrition book, so first I want to say thank you for producing such a great book. I’m looking to put on more muscle, my question is whether it’s possible to keep from regaining lost weight while eating enough to building muscle. I know that the body fights to maintain a range of fat mass and because I’m below my body’s range that eating in a calorie surplus to build muscle will just cause me to return to my previous body fat levels. I’m wondering how to maintain my fat loss while making progress in the gym or if I’m going to have to settle with keeping calories low to maintain my lower weight and just train to maintain my current muscle mass. Will following the recommended rate of weight gain in the book also work for me who is below their body fat set point and stores fat super easy?

    Thanks,
    David

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi David, thanks for the compliments and question.
      “I know that the body fights to maintain a range of fat mass and because I’m below my body’s range that eating in a calorie surplus to build muscle will just cause me to return to my previous body fat levels”
      This assumption is incorrect. Have a controlled calorie surplus when you bulk, train hard and the majority of it should be muscle.
      This article of mine may help:
      How To Adjust Your Diet To Successfully Bulk

      Reply
  44. Alex

    Hi Team,

    My question is related to “Fat Distribution” :

    When the body gains weight/fat after a few days or even a day in a large/er caloric intake/surplus. Say a birthday occasion or weekend away etc.

    I notice that the stomach/abs area (being the vital area for men to hold fat) is the first place it tends to show up and appear fluffy, and un-defined. I understand that much of this can be due to initial water retention, however is it possible or true that once back in a controlled/recent surplus state that the fat can/will re-distribute to other areas or will it stay right around the stomach/abs until lost again by entering an extend deficit/fat loss phase ?

    I ask because many times I have been in this situation and even by taking away calories form other days in the week to balance the total weekly/monthly energy intake there is the initial fat/weight gain around the abdomen and of course this is not desirable as I aim to gain muscle with minimal fat gain (and require to be “in condition” year round) without having to re enter a period of fat loss/deficit and halt any progress.

    Thank You in Advance 🙂

    Alex

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Alex, in men, fat loss generally comes from the top down, with the visceral fat (organ fat) being the first to go. When you regain it, the order is simply reversed. We cannot control it.

      Reply
  45. rob

    as far as deloads are concered will one still experience the benefits of supercompensation if they enter a deload week at the begging of a moderately aggressive fat loss phase or mini cut. If so will supercompensation be less optimal or less expressed if in a deficit?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Rob. A calorie deficit is a recovery deficit. A severe calorie deficit is a severe recovery deficit. You can expect your progress to be affected accordingly. Advice: Take your deload as normal when in a calorie deficit, don’t worry about supercompensation theory, don’t set aggressive deficits.

      Reply
  46. Chris

    What would be the proper nutrition be for cardio fist thing in the morning ? Some people have to do it this way due to their schedules. What would you do for HIIT and LISS, Does it matter or would it be beneficial to have some protein and a carb before and after? I’m talking 10 minutes after waking up.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Chris. There’s no need to have a pre or post cardio nutrition strategy, this only concerns endurance athletes.

      Reply
  47. Nick

    After reading through the books, I want to change my Push, Pull, Legs routine to the intermediate bodybuilding routine as I have been, generally-speaking, plateaued for the last year. My only concern with doing this is that by switching programs (and using the general guidelines for volume) there will be a fairly significant decrease in volume from what I am currently with PPL. I understand that volume will increase over time with the new program but will decreasing volume somewhat significantly by switching programs have a negative effect? Thanks, in advance, for any input you can provide.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      “Will decreasing volume somewhat significantly by switching programs have a negative effect?
      – Yes, work to match volume when you create your new split based on what you have currently been doing/benefiting from.

      Reply
  48. Bert

    Hi, Im not sure if youre still answering questions since I haven’t seen any new ones recently (Yes, I keep my eye on all the questions that come up!).

    I have a question with regards to RPE. I understand that this is to be used to gage the intensity of the first set of each exercise, and I appreciate that the sample programs includes these for all exercises in each routine. Does RPE only apply to the first cycle of starting out a routine? Because as you apply more plates with each cycle, the workout becomes more intense, meaning you cant maintain that same level of RPE while applying progressive overload.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Bert. Yes, once a week from me, once from Eric, until we reach 1000.

      Does RPE only apply to the first cycle of starting out a routine? Because as you apply more plates with each cycle, the workout becomes more intense, meaning you cant maintain that same level of RPE while applying progressive overload.
      Your body will adapt, so the RPE should be around the same level for each cycle. If it isn’t then you may have too much volume overall and may want to cut back (or you might need to consider the advanced progression options). Unless you’ve been lifting many years very seriously though then the latter probably doesn’t apply and it’s just an overall volume workload issue.

      Reply
  49. Pete

    I really like the setup of the Upper/Lower hypertrophy example on page 57. Would there be any negatives to doing that instead of the intermediate bodybuilding sample program?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Pete, thanks for the question. I’ll leave you some questions to ponder. Why do you like that more? What are the differences? Based on what you have read, why do you feel we have those differences? What may you therefore miss out on? How important are those differences in the grand order of things when you consider the pyramid of importance as a whole?

      No need to answer here, but I think that’ll help.

      Reply
  50. James

    Hey guys is it disadvantageous to put 2 deload trainings (in my case legs and push) into one training when a schedule does not allow to train the 5 days a week? I refer to the intermediate program. Or would that accumulate too much fatigue?
    Thanks in advance 🙂

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi James. If you’re doing the intermediate program you’ll be using the intermediate progression pattern so your deloads will all occur on the same week.

      Reply
  51. Const

    1. I finished reading the nutrition book yesterday and really liked it! Im 16 years old and around 13% bodyfat, sadly I couldnt find an answer in the book on wether I should cut or bulk at that body fat percentage. Ive already maxed my linear gains and my strength levels are intermediate. I am not sure if cutting would be an good idea at my age.

    2. Is there any advice in both books that I cant/shouldnt use at my age?

    Thanks for taking the time to answer!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Const, thanks for the questions.
      1. Unless you’d describe yourself as fat, given your age thee answer is probably bulk. Make the most of your potential to grow quickly at this point in your lift.
      2. None that I can think of in particular.

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  52. Matthew

    Does this program tell me how many reps I should go into the gym and hit?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Matthew. Yes. It’ll also explain why, and how you can tailor programs to yourself over time.

      Reply
  53. Dan

    hey guys, just a quick question. My forearms are very small compared to the rest of my upper body. There’s a lot of information out there saying 1) you can’t really grow your forearms much, 2) they need to be trained more frequently (i.e. adding a couple forearm exercises at the end of each workout), 3) rep ranges need to be higher, etc. Anyway, I’ve learned that I can trust you guys and not much else that is on the internet so I was hoping you could touch on good forearm growth strategies.

    Great job on the books, read both all the way through and still go back and read pieces from time to time to make sure I don’t develop any bad habits.

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Dan, thanks for the compliments and question. Take a look at people that can lift a lot of weight. Pretty big forearms generally, right? Just focus on getting stronger and growth will come as a natural consequence, nearly always. Forearms are muscles like any other in the body, they don’t need special treatment (rep ranges, frequency, etc.) as per your second and third points.

      Reply
  54. Primoz B

    Hi

    I have a question, since there’s nothing mentioned in the book. What is all the fuss about dairy products during the cut.? Should I remove them from my diet? I eat plenty of low fat Greek yogurt and I was wondering, if it’s possible, that it is causing water retention.
    Tnx

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Primoz. It’s a myth, this is what we didn’t mention it. It might be fun to create a page of myth busting though all listed up for the second edition.

      Reply
  55. Abby

    Is it possible to start gaining weight while cutting if calorie restriction and cardio exceed the recommended requirements? Not done on purpose, but I’ve been cutting for 6 weeks now and the past 2 weeks I have gained, but calories are at a more aggressive rate and I just realized I was doing way too much cardio. Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Abby. If you’re in a calorie deficit, you won’t be gaining weight over time. However, temporary fluctuations in water weight (or water retention) can mask fat loss. This can happen when we’re stressed (training is a stress also), and it will happen across your monthly cycle. It’s the latter point which is probably the issue. Make sure you’re comparing point for point in your menstrual cycle only.

      Reply
  56. Ryan

    The exercise book mentions that If an injury prevents you from performing a barbell deadlift variant of any type, a hip hinge variant can be used in its place. What about trap bar deadlifts? I didn’t see them mentioned here or in the book and wondered if they could be used in place of barbell variations or if they have any place in a bodybuilding program?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Ryan, thanks for the question. Sure, absolutely. Think about it: You get to lift a big ass weight, through a good range of motion. This is good.

      Reply
  57. rob

    Eric theirs something i seemed confused on. This may sound a bit confusing but not quite sure how to word it. In terms of isolation exercises many refer to them as doing them after compound work and “just getting them in for additional volume” with really no progression plan in place for them. Ive even seen videos of Coach Brad Loomis referring to them in the same way as instead of focusing so much on progressing them we just “get them in for more volume”. I understand its more practical to expect much slower progress but approaching isolation exercises as just getting them in aren’t they basically doing pointless volume or not so much as volumes just a matter of reps at a heavy enough load? i guess what im trying to figure out is can a lagging body part really just be brought up by doing isolation exercises without progression built into them so long as we do enough reps at a heavy enough load and accumulate lots of volume of reps and load with the 8-15 range then really build our progression with the compounds as its more practical? I see many take this approach as they “just do” isolation work to accumulate volume and will muscle growth really just take place even if a double progression etc is not built in and we just accumulate sets/ reps with heavy enough loads?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Rob, let me take this one.

      Yes, that can work, but it may not always work because you may fail to progressively overload without realizing it. So, use of a progression system is a back up to ensure you are.

      Think about squatting or any of the compound movements. You can progress by “just doing more” and not really worrying about a progression system for a time right? But the stall becomes more pronounced. This is what most people do when they get in the gym but don’t know what they’re doing.

      Reply
  58. Michal

    Hi,
    in the books it says (novice progression):
    “..if you go two weeks in a row and do not get your target repetitions, decrease the load
    by 10% the next week on the same day. Then, the week after return to the load you were
    previously stalled with (see page 39 for example). if you then stall once again, use the
    same progression pattern, but start increasing the load only half as much week to week
    as you were previously.” – Does that mean that after your first load decrease you also halve the load increasing?

    and

    “..repeat the process of increasing, maintaining, or decreasing load based on whether
    you get all the reps, don’t get all the reps for one session, or don’t get all the reps for
    two sessions in a row, respectively. if you have to decrease load once more, it is now
    time to move on to an intermediate approach to training and progression.” – Does that mean that if you decrease load twice IN A ROW (load, same load, decrease, same load, decrease, same load, increase?) , you switch to intermediate approach at that exercise?

    Sorry if that sounds confusing.
    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Michael, thanks for the questions.

      1. To explain by way of example, it means that if you’ve been increasing your squats by 10 lbs each session, and you can no longer do that, then you’ll have a deload for a session to try and fix it. When you stall for a second time using 10 lb increments, you then switch to 5 lb increases.

      2. No, it just means when you have to decrease the load for a third time we’d suggest you move onto intermediate progression. Just a guideline though, not a rule.

      Hope that helps.

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  59. Joe

    Hi guys

    I have two questions

    1) In the book when you talk about how the difference in energy expenditure from non-training days to training days is quite small, you say “Meanwhile, if you hadn’t gone to the gym and for that same hour and a half you sat on the couch you would have burned 100- 150 calories”. I’m really confused, how would you burn 100-150 calories just sat on a couch?

    2) If you are in a lean gaining phase, if you “borrowed” calories from your workout days and put them into your weekend calories (when you are not training), then surely this would negatively impact body composition over time? Wouldn’t having more calories on workout days have benefits due to nutrient partitioning?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Joe, thanks for the questions.
      1. Just by being alive we burn calories is the point we’re making. If you have a look at the calorie calculations section you’ll see this noted as BMR.
      2. It has the potential to do so by impacting recovery ability. / Possibly, but there’s not enough formal research to say so.

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  60. David

    Hey Eric and Andy, do you recommend setting the upper and lower levels body fat for which to juggle our bulks and cuts to remain in based on personal preference. Basically if when I’m bulking and I don’t like what I see in the mirror at around 12% body fat is it good to switch to a cutting phase till I’m back down to 8-9% and just juggle bulks and cuts to remain in the 8-12% range where I feel good about how I look. Basically just stay bulk/cut within the body fat ranges you personally prefer even if the gaining phases are shorter?

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi David. As a rough guideline, bulk till around 15-17%, cut till under 10%. Keeping your range so narrow could cripple you making meaningful chunks progress (and assessing that progress objectively).

      Reply
  61. Jone

    Hi Eric & Andy. I was wondering if I can use double progression om compound movements? Or can I only use it on isolation movements only?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jone. Yes. Please control+f this and you’ll see fuller answers in the comments so far.

      Reply
  62. Alex

    Great work on the books!

    If I wanted, could I combine the Push and Pull workouts in the Intermediate bodybuilding routine to make it a 4 day split?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Sure. You’ll need to try that and see how it affects performance and recovery, and you may be better splitting things more evenly across your week.

      Reply
  63. Tom

    How much cardio would you recommend as the maximum while in a gaining phase? The cardio would be done just for general health benefits. Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tom, thanks for the question. Consider ‘the maximum’ to be the point where the recovery from it affects your training progress.

      Reply
  64. Lake

    Hey Eric and Andy, I’m naturally kind of a chubby guy (my body prefers to be around 15%) but I used the nutrition book to get leaner than I’ve ever been (8-9% currently) and frankly in a much easier and more enjoyable fashion than any other approach I’ve tried, so thank you up front. My question is if I’ll be able to maintain this level of leaness when I transition into a lean mass phase and gaining at the rate you suggest or because I’m below my body’s set point will I have to accept gaining the fat back too make any gains in muscle. Ideally I’d like to stay in the 8-12% body fat range while gradually building mass at the rate you suggest but I don’t know if it’s realistic given my genetic predisposition to a higher body fat to expect to remain lean even when following your guidelines on rate of weight gain. Basically should I expect to remain lean year round following the books advise?

    Thanks

    Reply
  65. Moe

    Hey, i asked a few questions a while back and you guys really helped me figure out my maintenance and surplus calories to the most precise # possible. Thank you for that! I just need help with cutting information. I couldnt find it clear how to START my cutting process. I began by 250cals below maintenance now if i go by the book and start at 5%bw loss and slowly progress to 1%bw loss? Or is it the other way around? So do i start with 1 cardio session a week and work my way up to the 1% or do i start with like 7 cardio sessions and work my way down to 5%. I dont understand this and if i could get a clarification that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for what youve done!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Moe, have another read of the calorie setting chapter, it’s covered there.

      Reply
  66. Terrence

    Hey Eric and Andy, once I’m satisfied with my overall development would you recommend eating at the advanced lifter rate of weight gain to bring up weak points and stay lean? Basically use the rate of weight gain protocol for advanced lifters as a sort of “maintenance mode”

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      We recommend the guidelines for gaining for advanced lifters for muscle gain in highly experienced individuals. If you want to just maintain then eat at maintenance.

      Reply
  67. Blake

    Hey Andy and Eric, I greatly enjoy the nutrition book and it has helped me reach lower body fat levels easier than I ever have before. My 2 questions are

    1)how much fat gain is reasonable to expect when gaining weight at the rate you recommend for your training experience

    2) how long should that gaining phase last before transitioning to fat loss?

    Thanks
    Blake

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      So glad to hear it!

      1) impossible to say quantitatively due to individual differences and because the effectiveness of training has a huge impact on this.

      2) again depends on the individual, what they are comfortable with starting body fat and how much fat they gain in the process. A minimum ratio of 4 to 1 for time spent in a surplus vs deficit is something I generally recommend to prevent people from constantly trying to cut.

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  68. Xaiver

    Hey Eric and Andy, I loved the nutrition book, my question is that I’ve been lifting weights for more than 3 years but have been off and on with my nutrition(trying and failing to lose fat and get abs lol) would I be considered an advanced weightlifter because I very been consistently lifting 3-5 days per week and challenging my muscles very hard (didn’t track workouts just used weights that caused me to fail within the 6-12 rep range, weight lifted to stay in that rep range naturally went up over time)

    Thanks,
    Xavier

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Probably not to be honest if you haven’t had much structured direction to your training.

      Reply
  69. Karlie

    Hello there. I emailed this but thought maybe a comment was a better idea. I purchased this guide not realising that it isn’t really aimed at overweight people.

    Is the amount of protein suggested the only thing to alter? Should I still be adding in a refeed day if I am overweight (35-40%bf female)?

    I’m hoping I can still get use out of the two guides. Thanks so much

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      A once per week refeed is still appropriate for psychological reasons for most people. Additionally you can target a faster ratw of weight loss initially. Say 1.5% of bw per week. As you get leaner and in the high 20’s of bodyfat percentage you then should shift to slower loss rates and consider using refeeds as prescribed in the book as you get leaner. Good luck!

      Reply
  70. william

    hey,

    first i would like to say thanks for making these books, great job! and secondly I noticed that the advanced bodybuilding program only has around 112 reps for back per week, why is this? i thought there might be some overlap with deadlifts but if I’m not doing deadlifts should i add some more sets or reps in so i can get it closer to the 200 reps per week?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The reps include the volume from deadlifts. And I don’t know how to answer your question “why is this?” You could ask that question about the number of reps for any body part in any of the 6 sample programs. Feel free to train as you see fit if you think the sample programs are not set up the way you want to train.

      Reply
  71. Mark

    Hey Eric and Andy, I greatly appreciate your nutrition book, it has helped me immensely. My question is when to switch from a lean gaining phase to a cutting phase? The book didn’t talk about how and when to juggle your lean gaining and cutting phases. It did mention mini cuts for advanced lifters but didn’t say how to implement them. Should I lean gain until I notice my abs fainting and then mini cut and repeat?
    Just confused on juggling the 2 phases to remain as lean as I can through my bodybuilding journey.

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Mark I answered this a moment ago in a previous question. Use ctrl f and search for 4 to 1 ratio.

      Reply
  72. James

    Hey Eric, what’s the ratio of fat to muscle gain one should expect when following your rate of weight gain recommendations? Also I’ve heard the term “gaintaining” used in some videos but never talked about in the book or videos about what it is and how to implement it, is it just the rate of weight gain you recommend for advanced lifters?

    Thanks,
    James

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      James I’ve answered this question previously in the comments here please use the ctrl f function to search the page

      Reply
  73. Michael

    Most credible resources recommend avoiding exceeding 15-20% as nutrient partitioning begins to worsen compared to leaner body fat percentages. For skinny fat individuals, Eric mentioned in this FAQ to perform a bulk until a good base of muscle is built, then a cut.

    Is it more optimal to cut or bulk if the individual is skinny fat at 20% body fat and low LBM/FFMI, if their goal is to maximize strength?

    As far as I know, the issue with cutting here is that there will be little benefit on the low LBM, the issue with bulking is a worsened nutrient partitioning and recomping yields slow results outside of newbies.

    Thanks a ton, and thanks a ton for the great work with the muscle and strength pyramids. They are by far my favourite resource now on training and nutrition and have helped me a lot.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      If you are on the border of bodyfat levels of bulking or cutting just choose whichever you’d like to pursue and do it effectively.

      Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Michael, thanks for the question.
      It all depends on how skinny the skinny fat person really is. For some there is no real point in cutting. I haven’t been able to draw clear line in the sand on it.

      Reply
  74. Bert

    My 2nd time around reading the training pyramid book. P. 37, “… do enough volume to progress and only to increase it when progress has plateaued.” Is this statement referring to a more dramatic increase in volume by adding sets or reps, as opposed sticking with the same routine with gradual increase applied by progressive overload?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      It’s referring to adding reps or sets or days of additional training not increasing weight on the bar.

      Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Bert, thanks for the question. Yes. When you’re are to make gradual increases in load, then you’re progressing anyway.

      Reply
  75. Scott

    This relates to Johns question: Are the wave loading and isolation progression schemes performed twice a week( two sessions)? Or once a week? If once a week, what is done for the same exercise on the other session? I’m somewhat confused. I’m assuming it is one session because page 68 states the fourth workout is a deload day. Thank you for clarifying

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Treat each day independently from other days even if the exercise is the same for progression. Deload are for entire weeks.

      Reply
  76. Adam

    1.I realized in the training book when talking about progression, Eric explains the main type of progression (for the 6-8 range for example) would be get 100lb for 10, next week 105lb for 9, 110lb for 8 then deload and start over at depending on the person but most likely at 105lb for 10…my question is if that is considered linear progression, would it also accomplish the same thing if someone were to start at 110lb for 8 reps, then the next week do 110 for 8, then 110 for 9, and so on until they reached 10 reps and then added weigh and dropped the reps down to 8 and continued in this manner.

    2. If that progression is just as good and accomplishes the same results, how would someone deload using that style of progression?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      You are describing double progression. Which is covered in the book.

      Reply
  77. william pirrie

    Hey,

    First i just want to say thanks for making these books, it has really helped me!
    And my question is that i noticed in the advanced bodybuilding program there are roughly 110 reps for back per week, and i thought there would be an overlap if i was doing deadlifts which would mean that the total 110 would be higher but im not, i swapped them for a RDL. and i know that the 70-210 are just guidlines but i feel i would need a slightly higher stimulis for back growth seeing how i was doing roughly 250-300 reps per week, so i was thinking of adding some more volume in to my program maybe getting my total weekly back volume to around 200 reps. So i was just wondering whats your take on this? and if i were to add more reps, how should i go about doing it? so just add sets or an exercise?

    Thanks 🙂

    Will

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The reps for back includes deadlifts and this is not the place for individual programming questions. Just because you used to do a lot of volume for your back doesn’t mean you need that much to progress and yes 70 to 210 is just a guideline and these are just sample programs.

      Reply
  78. Tom

    In the intermediate bodybuilding routine, could I just follow the double progression model for every exercise including compounds? I would only add weight once I hit the top of the rep range with all sets. Deloads would still be every 4 weeks with 2 sets of the minimum reps in the rep range (same as in the double progression example in the book)

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tom, thanks for the question.
      You certainly could, but as a general rule you want to use the progression system that allows for the fastest progress you can adapt to.

      Reply
  79. Scott

    Does the purchase of the Ebooks include both versions(apple and windows) or is it only one format?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Scott. The books are PDFs so they will work on both.

      Reply
  80. Jonathan

    Theme: Physique maintenance

    Let’s say I’ve attained my goals, and I want to maintain my physique:

    1) How do I manipulate volume, intensity and frequency for such?

    2) How do I manipulate energy balance and macro-nutrient targets (mainly protein) for such?

    -Protein is very very expensive where I live, however, I can comfortably hit roughly 0.5g/lb of body weight daily. My question is this:

    3) If one cannot hit the range of protein recommended in the book:
    -Does it mean that one cannot built muscle and increase strength?
    -Is it that one can, but at a slower rate?
    -Is it that one can at a slower rate but will eventually hit a ceiling?

    -Finally, if the answer is yes one can, but at a slower rate, is there an intake threshold below which progress is impossible and as such training is essentially a waste of time/futile, but above which progress can be made? What would that threshold be?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jonathan, thank you for the questions.
      1. By this, assuming you mean, “How do I find the minimum level of training I can do and still maintain my physique?” – then it just comes down to trial and error. Reduce VIF while measuring yourself and keeping your diet constant to gauge whether you are progressing, regressing or maintaining. Two articles over on my site that may be useful:
      How To Track Your Progress Like A Pro, To Ensure Body Composition Goal Success
      Stress: In The Gym, Out of The Gym, and How it Affects Your Program and Progress

      2. If you mean to ask what the minimal amount of protein you can get away with eating is, then that’s trial and error also.

      3. The third option. The bigger you get, the more you need just to maintain. On a related note, whey protein, though a big up-front cost, is generally the cheapest way to get protein per gram, chicken breast can be close second. Though this depends on the country, generally this is how is it for the developed economies.

      4. This hasn’t been studied that I know of. There will be individual differences anyway so personal experimentation is key.

      Reply
      • Jonathan

        Thanks for the reply. I have been experimenting (not for long though) with regard to sufficient protein. I have been making progress in my compound movements, but at the back of my mind I wonder if its just improved neural efficiency as opposed to muscle hypertrophy. I guess I will have to continue for a period of months and see what happens, because I presume at some point muscle will be needed as opposed to merely neural adaptations.

        1) Any further thoughts on this, or am I thinking correctly?

        The reason I asked about volume is because earlier I saw Eric recommend maintaining volume when cutting, then only as the cut advances, reducing it a bit. However, I’ve seen others like Lyle Mcdonald recommend doing 1/3 the volume with greater intensity more like a strength routine, also for cutting. So I presumed that the protocols that work for cutting should work for maintenance.

        Per your recommendation, I will use trial and error, and if I see my intensity and volume improving or staying the same, then I know I’m doing well. If it is regressing, I will cut the volume.

        2) Is that about right?

        I do purchase whey, but its expensive. What I pay for 5lbs of a well known brand of protein, with that same money (the US equivalent), I would have been able to purchase the 10lb if I were in the US. Food is expensive as well.

        Thanks again for the responses, and more importantly for these books. There is so much conflicting information out there and no context as to order of importance, and for the longest while I just wished someone could hand me a blueprint that if I followed could get me to my goals without all the information overload. These books are exactly that. I feel like I could stop researching training and nutrition information so often, and now actually direct my energies to right training and right eating. Thank you.

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          1. You’re thinking correctly.
          2. Right.
          – Sure, I live in Japan. Expensive here too.
          – Most welcome Jonathan!

          Reply
      • Jonathan

        So I responded before I checked out your links. After checking them out I know what to look for in terms of tracking progress.

        Reply
  81. jason

    Hi guys,

    Is there a certain proportion of your daily protein intake that should come from complete protein sources? I find that the trace amounts of protein in carb sources can add up quite quickly, and was wondering if this is a problem.

    thanks in advance

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jason, thanks for the question. As long as your diet is varied it won’t be a problem as the foods will all complement and “complete” each other, if that makes sense. Kind of like buying 50 children’s jigsaw puzzles of the same type, each with one piece missing, you’ll be able to make complete sets.

      Reply
  82. Alex

    Oh and one more question:

    Is there any benefit (when lean gaining) to picking a specific number of fat grams in the 20-30% range? For instance, what is the benefit of aiming for, say, 25% of calories from fat, as opposed to just trying to stay in the 20-30% range?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Alex, in the offseason, I like to use the analogy that you are walking on a wide foot path, version during a hardcore cut or contest prep you’re tightrope walking. You have much more flexibility in your macros targets for what will produce optimal results when your bodyfat and glycogen levels are higher and I think a variety of intakes can work just fine. So, to answer your question directly, if your protein and calories remain consistent but your fat macros (and subsequently your carb macros) fluctuate within a 20-30% range on a day to day basis, there is no absolutely no downside to that.

      Reply
  83. Alex

    Hi Andy and Eric,

    First just want to say the books are exactly what I have been looking for as a recreational lifter. There is so much broscience out there that it got so frustrating trying to separate fact from fiction, but your books contained absolutely everything I was searching for. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.

    My question is regarding protein intake. In the books, Eric recommends 0.8-1.0g/lb when in a lean gaining phase, but in the video series he recommended up to 1.2g/lb when gaining, Also, Lyle McDonald recommends taking protein up to 1.5g/lb when gaining muscle. Is there any chance of protein above 1.0g/lb providing small benefits?
    Also how important is maximising muscle protein synthesis? I’ve read that consuming about 2.5g leucine in about 4 protein rich meals spread roughly 4 hours apart is “optimal” for building muscle, but this isn’t discussed much in the book. I have no issue spreading my protein intake throughout the day, but aiming for specific numbers for leucine etc may get a bit stressful.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Alex you’re very welcome, and if I thought a very specific intake of protein outside of the ranges I provide would help, of course I’d recommend them. Anywhere in the range of .8-1.3g/lbs is appropriate for almost everyone. I make the additional recommednation of using the lower end for gaining, the upper end for dieting as this may help with satiety, energy expenditure, mood state, and potentially performance and body comp over the long term course of a diet. As far as MPS, this takes care of itself if you eat within this range and consume an appropriate number of meals per day (per the books recommendations) and split your protein roughly between meals.

      Reply
  84. Ronnie Courville

    I am interested in buying the nutrition pyramid ebook. Once we purchase the ebook, are we able to print out the pdf? I would much rather have a hard copy to read.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Ronnie, we haven’t set any restrictions in the PDF on printing it if that’s what you mean. We’ve had quite a few people tell us that this is what they have done, binding them.

      Reply
  85. Kristiyan Atanasov

    Hi,

    A quick question: I am currently on a muscle gain diet and I am reading the book about nutrition. I would like to calculate my maintenance calories using this method: Finding Maintenance By Tracking Weight & Food Intake Over Two Weeks. How am I supposed to track this as I am already manipulating my diet which would result in chage of bodyweight (I am on muscle gain diet)?

    Please advise me on how I should eat during the next 2 weeks so that the results from this method would be accurate. I mean should I keep my muscle gain diet or should I change something and if yes – what?

    Thanks in advance. 🙂

    Regards,

    Kris

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Kris.
      Track your intake over two weeks.
      Note your average weight gain over the two weeks per week.
      Multiply that by 3500 to find the number of calories you are currently over each week.
      Subtract that from your weekly calorie intake total, divide by seven.
      That is your approximate maintenance calorie intake.

      Reply
      • Kristiyan Atanasov

        Hi Andy,

        Thanks for the clarification! Should I multiply 3500 by the average weight gain in kg or in lbs? (I am from Europe)

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          3500 for lbs, 7200 for kilograms. Sorry for the lack of clarity. You’ll probably recognize these numbers now from the Energy Balance layer of the Nutrition Pyramid.

          Reply
  86. Billy

    Hey guys,
    My question is, if I change exercises each mesocycle would this be optimal? For e.g flat bench, incline dumbbell month 1
    Incline bench flat dumbbell month 2. I’ve always stuck to the same exercises and focused on getting stronger but a comment by Mike Isratel mentioned that you can get blunted affects with exposure to the same stimulation.
    Thanks,
    Billy

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hii Billy, thanks for the question.

      There’s a balance to be had. Sticking rigidly to the same exercises all your training career isn’t going to be optimal. Having too much variation in your training program won’t either, as you’ll lack the specificity needed to get good, and the objectivity needed to assess whether you’re progressing (tracking will become troublesome, as will comparisons). You can and probably should vary your exercises/your variants of the main lifts, but unless what you’re doing isn’t working, I wouldn’t do so within a mesocycle.

      Reply
  87. Thomas

    Hi,

    Whenever I try to type in a percentage in “fat intake” (I might try “40”, “40%” etc.) I just get an error message. What am I doing wrong?

    Reply
  88. Freddy

    Hi guys,
    I have two questions (sorry if they’ve been asked before):

    1. On page 54 it says “Volume shouldn’t increase session to session, week to week, or even month to month!”
    I am very confused by this statement.
    Why should volume not increase? I thought progressive overload is important and that it will inevitably increase volume!?
    Adding one rep to a set or one pound would already increase volume or am I misunderstanding something?

    2. On page 48 it says “Some people discuss frequency as if it’s a stimulus in and of itself, but it’s not. Frequency is a way to organize your training […]”
    Does that mean I could train my lower body on one day and train it the next again because the placement of the 2nd lower body doesn’t matter? Because of the fatigue from the first lower body day my performance would decrease and that would decrease volume on the second day.. so I guess the placement in a week of training is important.

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Freddy, thanks for the questions.
      1. This needs to be written to be clearer. Volume will increase over the course of a training career as you progress, however it won’t necessarily increase from session to session, week to week, or month to month, because you’ll have elements of periodization in your programming.
      2. That’s right. I think you answered your own question there. 🙂

      Reply
      • Freddy

        Thanks for the reply, Andy!
        Regarding the 2nd question:

        I still don’t fully understand how frequency is not a stimulus.
        From what I’ve understood a 2-3x/week frequency is a necessity because as we advance in our training careers the volume per session increases to a point where it can’t be completed in one workout. That’s why we train muscle groups multiple times per week.
        But if frequency is not a stimulus would a full body program 4x per week with low volume on all days yield the same results as an upper lower program (volume matched)?

        Reply
        • Eric Helms

          You exactly explained how frequency is not a stimulus…rather, it is an organizational tool to use once volume per session gets too high. That is why when volume does not need to be as high, early in a lifters career, it is likely that an upper lower 4x/week split would be just fine, and then later on in a career a full body approach with less volume per session but more volume per week might be needed.

          Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          Have a thorough re-read of the VIF layer Freddy, it’s all inter-related.

          Reply
  89. Thomas Fogarty

    I’m on the 4th week deload of my first accumulation block for the advanced bodybuilding program. So as an example lets say I bench 200×10 week one 205×9 week two and 210×8 week 3. I deload to 2 sets of 200×8. After the 4th week deload do I start another accumulation block where I do 205×10? or do I move to an intensity block where I would do 210×9?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      You can do either the intensity block, or you can repeat the accumulation block and try to use slightly heavier loads, neither is wrong or right just depends on the situation and where you are in your competitive cycle.

      Reply
  90. Wojtek

    Hello, is it possible to pay by transfer instead of the paypal or credit card?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Wojtek, yes, you can do it through Paypal. When you go through the checkout it will appear as an option. If you have any difficulty just check their support pages.

      Reply
  91. John

    I’m a little confused on the on the intermediate de-load example given on the page 69 of the training book. In that example, every forth training session is de-loaded. Is this in addition to de-loading every 4 weeks?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      They are one in the same, the four workout comes on the fourth week.

      Reply
  92. Daniel

    In the “Progression” section of the Training Pyramid book, the progression pattern for intermediate trainees with compound
    movements calls for dropping the rep target by 1 rep each week for the 3-5, 4-6, and 5-7 rep ranges. (provided there is a concurrent 5-10 lb increase in load week to week).

    What about the 1-3 rep range? This is in reference to Day 2 of the intermediate powerlifting sample program (which I am really enjoying and making good progress with btw – THANKS!) – stick with 3 reps from one week to the next, or drop it to 2 and then 1 for each subsequent week (again, assuming there is a concurrent 5-10 lb increase in load week to week).

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Check out the actual sample intermediate powerlifting program in the back of the book, it shows the %1RM range for 1-3 reps of 82-87.5%. You’d use 82% for triples, 85% for doubles, and 87.5% for singles. That can help you approximate what type of load increase you should use for the 1-3 rep range while decreasing reps.

      Reply
      • Daniel

        Thanks Eric! However am I right to state that the %1RM range is only valid for the first week of using this program? Because unless I do a 1RM test every week, increasing the load by 5-10lb every week will take me out of the %1RM range pretty fast.

        If that’s the case is there another way to get a better idea of what load increase/rep decrease combo I should use after several consecutive weeks into the training?

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          Hi Daniel. The %1RM is the initial guide, use the progression rules combined with RPE there after.

          Reply
  93. Max

    Hi guys, I’m following the recommendations from the nutrition book for fat loss while following the intermediate bodybuilding template but with a little less volume.

    I’m only a couple weeks into my fat loss phase, but I have a problem that I frequently get light-headed, especially during workouts. My strength is good but my work capacity feels like it’s gone to crap – only a few sets in and I’m feeling gassed. I’m not enthusiastic for the gym like normal, and though my mood is good, I’m lacking my normal spring in my step.

    So my question is: is getting light-headed and having a (dramatically) reduced work capacity indicative of anything in general, such as too few calories, a macro imbalance, or not eating enough prior to training (I tend to eat most of my cals at night)?

    Best,

    Max

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Max, thanks for the question. It could be a few things. Here are some questions to ask yourself:
      – Is the overall workload too high?
      – Are you breathing properly during your sets.
      – Have you been taking deloads?
      – Are you sleeping well?
      – Are you currently under a lot of stress?
      – Is the calorie intake too low?
      – Is the carb intake too low?
      – Have you been dieting for a long time without a break?
      – Does your diet lack variety? (I.e. Could this me a micro nutrient deficiency issue?)

      These are the most obvious ones that spring to mind now.

      Reply
  94. Josha

    When switching from a powerlifitng goal to a bodybuilding goal should you swap outright such as go from intermediate powerlifter plan to intermediate bodybuilding plan Or would it be better to switch to the novice bodybuilding plan since the volume of reps is a lot more in the intermediate bodybuilding plan compared to the intermediate powerlifting plan?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Josha. As the frequency of the barbell lifts is much higher in the PL program, I’d gradually transition between the two. I wouldn’t jump from one template to another per se.

      Reply
      • Joshua

        Awesome thank you for the reply and helping us all out.

        Reply
  95. Pingye Yang

    Hi Eric,

    First I would say a big thank you for offering these two great books, I leaned a lot and finally got a logical structure of training. I heard you from Lyle and he also did a great job showing these knowledge.

    But I still have many questions about training, so it’s gonna be a long one. And all the question would focus on hypertrophy but not strength.

    – About the balance of life and result for a natural bodybuilder.

    1.1 How difficult to maintain result for a intermediate or advanced bodybuilder? I heard from Lyle that one third frequency and one third of total reps per training is enough for maintain muscle mass even while dieting. So is that true for any level bodybuilders? If I gain a level of muscle mass which I feel happy with, could I just do such 1/9 total volume to maintain my result, and recover the total volume when I feel wanna get bigger again?

    1.2 How difficult to rebuild muscle mass which have been damaged occasionally before? Assume I gained 15lb mass, and lose 5lb of them during some lone-run event, and wanna have that 5lb back. I guess it should be much easier to regain that 5lb than for the first time, am I right? Is there a reasonable method to regain mass?

    – About Fatigue and Recovery

    Is fatigue a concept for whole body or just one or some muscle group? Is there any article about different kine of fatigue related with training? And with more importance, can we just rest some muscle we care less to maximum the training effect for other muscle group we care, for less muscle trained should cause less whole body fatigue.

    – About Volume

    3.1 If the volume (let’s just say a single muscle group like bicep) is the factor that should be consider first (if adherence has no problem), what the exactly volume it is? Volume per workout, per session or per week? Which volume should be considered first or most affective.

    3.2 If we just train a single group let say bicep, does the “increase zone for volume” enlarged compared with multi muscle group or full body training? Say could we progress faster on upper body if we stop training lower body?

    3.3 How does intensity relate with volume? If I don’t put on more load when I get stronger, am I actually lower the volume but not maintain it? If so, I thought it would be so complicate to increase volume by just manipulate intensity, and the only simple way to increase volume is to increase the total reps per week. Am I right?

    3.4 What is your recommended flexible volume space? I have seen Lyle’s General Bulking Routine, every exercise in that routine have 1 set flexible space, and I can choose to do 1 set more or less at every workout depends on my feeling that day. So the volume flexible space is about 25%-33%. Does the volume swing in that percentage ok?

    Thank you for reading, you are books are so great!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Pingye, thank you for the compliments. Please refer to the comment rules, this is not fair use.

      Reply
      • Pingye Yang

        Thanks for than Andy, would tell me which rules should I adjust on? I’d be pleased to do that to get even a little part of the answers. You wrote great books, but clearly there were much content could be more logical. I just want to complete the structure in my brain, and now it lacks of many stuff.

        Reply
  96. Zack Kaplan

    In regards to the comment left by Mr. Morgan directed towards “Jone”, this appears rude. This person purchased you’re product and is looking for your expert opinion. I hold this company, the employees, and products in the highest regard. Please remember you’re talking to a person just trying to better themselves and honestly seeking help not an annoying email with subpar grammar.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Zack, I see your point entirely.

      Here is my policy: When people take the time to write in a way that shows care, I will show it back. In this case Jone didn’t (he wrote three comments, the last two in quick succession without bothering to check what he had written), and I called him on it.

      The result is that he rephrased his two comments into one, I understood it, and I was able to answer.

      Reply
  97. Jone

    I train every muscle group twice a week. If i am following the “intermediate compound movement progression”, should i increase load every week, or every training session?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      If you are able to do so every every session then do that.

      Reply
  98. Anatoly Rapoport

    Hello.
    In chapter “Adherence” paragraph “Flexibility When Stree is High” you wrote that auto-regulatory methods will be discussed in following chapters. However except of taking deload week when you feel fatigued I can’t find any reference.
    Can you point me to a right place inside the book there those issues discussed?
    Thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      We also discuss a study on flexible nonlinear periodization, whereby you train your hard days when you feel well recovered, and you leave the easier days for when you feel stressed, and we also talk about the RPE scale which can help you automatically adjust load based on how you feel on the day of training. Both are useful methods.

      Reply
      • Anatoly Rapoport

        Thanks, Eric
        appriciate

        Reply
  99. David

    Perform 2/3-3/4 of your volume in the 6-12 RM range, and the other 1/4-1/3 in the lower rep higher intensity (1-6 RM) and higher rep lower intensity ranges (12-15RM)

    what does the 2/3-3/4 and 1/4-1/3 stand for ? I’m so confused

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi David, sorry for the lack of clarity:
      Two-thirds to three-quarters, and one-quarter to one-third respectively.

      Reply
  100. Chris

    Hey!

    I purchased the books, and I absolutely love them! Thank you for such informative books, highly recommended.

    One question, I follow an upper/lower split, with an additional arm day. My split looks like this right now..

    Day 1- Lower (Squat focused)
    Day 2- Upper (Bench focused) *Chest and Back work
    Day 3- OFF
    Day 4- Lower (Deadlift focused)
    Day 5- Upper (OHP focused) Antagonist paired sets
    Day 6- OFF
    Day7- Bicep/Tricep work

    My question is, is an arm day really needed? I’m 6’6″ @ about 235, chest is a weakness for me, so on my first upper body day, I really try to hit it hard. Flat bench, incline db, incline hammer strength, cable crossovers or pec dec to finish and these are all paired with a back movement. I’m not sure if doing another incline movement is just overkill or not, but I find I really like to hit my upper chest to give it a fuller look, if that makes sense? I usually avoid decline and aim for either flat or incline movements on my chest.

    When I considerable the pulling I am doing throughout the week, and then an added arm day on top of that, sometimes I find my biceps tendon a little aggravated.

    Should I keep the arm day, or spread it out over the upper body days?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Chris, sorry but asking us to critique your routine is something we explicitly stated we won’t do in the comment rules. It will open Pandora’s box.

      Reply
  101. Junior

    Hey, I have a quick question. more so just curious.

    Throughout the course of an accumulation block the goal is to increase work capacity by increasing volume. Why In the powerlifting advanced accumulation block, in the sample programs, does volume decrease and intensity increase over the course of the block? Isn’t this more of what you’d expect during an intensification block. Or is this block looked to be run multiple times in succession to have a wave-loading effect.

    Thanks again.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The individual blocks are higher volume relative to the intensity blocks, but they are ran in a linear periodization format (volume decreasing as intensity increases), however, when you look at mutliple macrocycles, your volume blocks of say, last year or earlier in the year will be lower in total volume, even though within the block volume is decreasing.

      Reply
  102. Lee

    My question is in two parts. 1, I’d like to understand what is the optimal protein intake in one meal sitting to maximise MPS. 2, what happens to excess protein over the amount utilised for MPS?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Lee, thanks for the questions.
      1. Have a re-read of Level 2 – Macronutrients and Fiber.
      2. It’s utilized for other body functions. Your body cares more than just about muscle growth.

      Reply
  103. Andy

    Hey!
    Just wondering if your planning on making a version 2 or if you plan on creating a proper cutting plan/techniques regarding training, nutrition and peak week and how to achieve the “dry look” and how it may differ between males and female? Just a thought.

    Thank you!!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Andy, we will be making a second edition and thank you for the feedback/suggestions for it.

      Reply
  104. Stanton A.

    QUICK QUESTION:

    1. Why does volume have to decrease while in a cutting phase
    2. How often should you switch up exercises during the intermediate bodybuilding program. for example if you start off doing hammer curls how many weeks or month should you stick with those before moving on to preacher curls?

    Thanks

    PS. Love both the nutrition and training books.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Stanton, THANKS FOR THE QUESTIONS.

      1. It doesn’t have to, though there may be a point where it would be best to do so as recovery ability from the stress of training is hampered in caloric deficit. More in this article by Greg Nuckols on my site:
      Stress: In The Gym, Out of The Gym, and How it Affects Your Program and Progress
      2. Every 4-8 weeks minimum, while being careful to not let that mask your objective measurement of progression. This is a could, not a should. Often with clients, if everything is progressing fine and they are happy/enjoying things then I won’t mess with their routines.

      Reply
  105. youri

    Hello,

    Firstly I would say that these 2 books are great! They provide a broad scientific-based knowledge base for both training and nutrition. My questions is as follows: Do you also provide a guide where the exercises are technically explained ?

    thanks in advance,

    Youri

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Youri, thanks. No, we don’t currently. Have a look in the resources section at the back of the book for recommendations.

      Reply
  106. Steven

    There is one area I still need some clarification on, and it involves soreness. I had been going about training wrong until I purchased your books by doing extremely too much volume and high frequency. Now that I’ve adjusted volume based on the book, I rarely get sore like before. Could this be I’m recovering better or need to push it harder in the gym? I know soreness doesn’t mean a good/bad workout but I should atleast feel it somewhat, correct?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Steven. Not necessarily, though that could be a sign you can handle more volume overall to make faster progress.

      Reply
  107. Abby

    My question is in regards to the deload week and cardio. Should cardio be cut back or kept in low, low/mod (HIIT avoided) during that week as well to reap all benefits or does this not matter?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Abby. If it’s low intensity it can be kept.

      Reply
  108. Oliver

    Whats the reason for not using linerar periodisation in the higher rep ranges for compounds. Isn’t a periodiodizet programm superior to a simple double progress planed programm? (Intermediat/Advanced) For example
    Week 1: 3×12
    Week 2: 3:10
    Week 3: 3×8
    Week 4: deload

    Do you generally recommend a lower RPE on Hypertrophie Days and a higer RPE on Strenght Days? If yes, why? For example 1 Hyper/1 Strength Day per Week
    Strenght Days
    Week 1: 4×6 @8.5
    Week 2: 4×5 @8.5
    Week 3: 4×4 @8.5
    Week 4: deload
    Hypertrophie Days
    Week 1: 3×12 @7.5
    Week 2: 3:10 @7.5
    Week 3: 3×8 @7.5
    Week 4: deload

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Oliver I don’t quite understand your question, we do recommend the 12, 10, 8 drop in rep range with increasing load, that is linear periodization. The only time we recommend double progression for the most part is the 12-15 rep range with isolation movements, because even a 5lbs increase in load (often the minimal amount you can jump) is too much when dropping from say 16, to 14, to 12 reps. Imagine you did 20lbs for 16 reps on curls, if that was near max, you might have trouble doing 25lbs for 14, and then 30 for 12. So it may be easier to build reps vs load. It comes down to practicality.

      Reply
  109. Thomas Fogarty

    Sorry I have another question. I’m following the advanced bodybuilding routine. On strength day on the last two days of the week say it calls for 4 sets of 6 could I progress by keeping that same rep range and simply add weight? or keeping the weight the same but doing 4 sets of 7? also is it necessary to deload every 4 weeks? or is it okay to deload every 8 weeks?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tomas, thanks for the questions.
      1/2. Both will work.
      3/4. The 4 weeks is just a guideline, but this will differ from individual to individual. If you’re doing fine with 4, try every 5 or 6, but don’t jump to 8. Make sense?

      Reply
  110. Jone

    16 years old. If on a pull day i’m doing DL 3*6, One arm dumbell row 3*10, lat pulldown 3*10, rear delt flyes 3*12, shrugs 3*12 and a couple of bicep exercises, and doing all of this twice a week, is it too much volume?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jone. All depends, have a thorough re-read of Level 2: Volume, Intensity, Frequency.

      Reply
  111. Tom

    If I were to use the 8-12 wave loading progression for compound lifts used in the intermediate bodybuilding routine, should I reduce the amount of sets by 1?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tom. If you feel that level of volume is too much then you could do that, or you could modify the progression scheme slightly to include the extra sets.

      Reply
  112. Bj

    Thanks a lot Andy. I bought ur book too, read the whole thing. I like how you illustrated the book instead having an endless wall of text. Keeps a readers attention and the info was awesome.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Thanks Bj. We’ll look to put some more images in the Pyramid books when we come around to the second editions.

      Reply
  113. Matt

    Hi guys, question about progressing from the beginner to intermediate bodybuilding templates. I’ve found the heavy upper day to be unsustainable for me – it’s a brutal grinder for me and without insanely long rest breaks, I can’t complete 5 sets of Bench at the intensity prescribed (at least not the week of 5s); and then the percentage I need to use to complete OHP afterwards falls below what is suggested.

    Would the way forward be to decrease volume by reducing the number of sets while keeping the intensity as written, or is it better to keep the volume as written and decrease the intensity, and work back up to the weights I had been using doing the lesser volume beginner routine?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      I’d make some small modifications to both.

      Reply
  114. Marc

    Hello!

    I briefly overread someone mention above the implementation of cardio into a regiment along with caloric intake? Adding cardio for the purpose of additional caloric expenditure, is it required to ‘re-add’ those calories back in?

    In a basic example, someone decreases their cal intake 500cals spread over 7 days which equates to 3500. When adding additional cardio above that, is it recommended to add more food back into your intake to maintain ‘caloric balance’? Or just Disregard it and continue forth with the deficit

    I hope it made sense (somewhat)

    Thanks

    -Marc

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Marc.
      If your target deficit is 3500 weekly, and you achieve that by diet alone, and then you add in cardio, your deficit will be higher then your target and you’ll need to add some calories back into your diet. If you wish to create a calorie deficit via food restriction and cardio then you can. Have a thorough re-read of Level 1, Energy Balance.

      Reply
  115. Cristi

    Hi guys,
    The nutrition book doesn’t seem to touch on this so … what are your thoughts on carbs & fats separation for certain meals?
    In a nutshell, having no starchy carbs starting with breakfast and then as the day goes by, eating them around training for a training day and having them in the second part of the day for an off day.
    If the calories and macros are in place, food choices are good for micros, will this add some benefits? Is there a case where this can be a good approach if one’s on a diet, a bulk or maintenance?
    I see this recommended by some knowledgeable guys and wanted to know what your thoughts are.
    Any resources you recommend with more info about it?
    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Cristi. There was an old myth that it would make a difference, that didn’t pan out in the research. Some people/organizations were slow to correct their guidelines which is why the idea unfortunately lingers.

      Reply
  116. Tulik

    Bench press every training session (4 times a week) :
    I’m doing intermediate bodybuilding program 4 times a week, and my bench press is very weak, my question is – can i bench press every training session (1-2 sets) just to increase my bench press weights and get stronger at it?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tulip, thanks for the question.
      See the decision tree on page 75.
      Regarding frequency, that’s just about organizing the volume you have in a week. Have a thorough re-read of the Volume-Intensity-Frequency chapter and how they are inter-related.

      Reply
  117. bj

    I read both books and plugged in all my info into the nutrition calculator, but i had a question about adding cardio in and raising calories to compensate.

    [deleted]

    If i add in in 150 calories of cardio 3x a week, which is 450 cals total. Do i get to eat…[deleted]

    i might be overthinking this, but its driving me nuts.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi BJ, thanks for the question. I’ve removed the parts which are irrelevant, your calculations, which we said in the comment rules we aren’t prepared to look at.

      If you’re doing cardio with an energy expenditure of 450 calories, and you wish to maintain the calorie balance, then you need to add back in those 450 calories with food. You can do that on the 3 days you burn 150 calories, or spread it across your week (450/7), or eat it all on the one day, doesn’t really matter a great deal.

      Reply
  118. Jarri

    Hi Eric and Andy,

    Deloading this week and had a question related to it.

    For isolation exercises where we use double progression, if I’ve managed to increase the weight during the four weeks, do I implement the deload with this new weight or choose the lowest weight I used during the cycle?

    Example:

    Week1: 100lbs x 8, 8, 7
    Week 2: 100lbs x 8, 8, 8
    Week 3: 105lbs x 8, 8, 8
    Week 4:100lbs x 6, 6, 6 or 105lbs x 6, 6, 6?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jarri. Neither. 100 x 6,6.
      See the top of page 69.

      Reply
      • Jarri

        Hi Andy,

        Thanks!

        I mistakenly wrote 6, 6, 6 when I meant 6, 6. The confusion was over the weight since the example for double progression on pg 71 shows the same weight being used over the 4 weeks. But from your answer, I guess the rule is to choose the lowest weight used in the cycle for your deload.

        Reply
  119. Rizani

    Hey,
    first let me thank you for your amazing work!! Really appreciate it! So my question is: DMAA (DMBA) causes a false positive for amphetamines in drug-tested sports competitions and should not be used by athletes being moderated by a drugs ethics association. As incautious as I was i bought a booster with DMBA (I didnt even think of that or just didnt care). And by time my passion for Bodybuilding got bigger and bigger and I seriously consider competing in the distant future. So will there be any problems when I do want to start competing?
    Thanks
    -Rizani

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Thanks Rizani, appreciated.
      Regarding your question, this is something to check with a doctor and the federations you’re looking to compete in.

      Reply
  120. rob

    I have posted this comment several times but it seems to go away so i dont know ifnaomethings wrong with how im leaving it but hopefully it goes through this time.
    Eric/Andy does there see something wrong with this macro splitup and protein consumption in terms of not enough whole protein ..i understand fat is low but enjoy a higher carb intake for the activity and training.

    meal 1 ~60c 6f 30P (protein from whey powder)

    meal 2 ~240C 10F 120p (90 protein coming from vegetable and starch and the rest from chicken)

    meal 3 ~135 C 15F 70P (20 protein starch rest from eggs)

    total macros ~440C 35F 230P @150 lb bodyweight and more or less maintaining weight (which is quite odd in my opinion to be maintaining weight on this or slightly hovering between 150-153ish but have maintained consistent here for quite some time)

    i feel as if protein is way to high based on body weight but meal 2 is the one that really don’t want to adjust for adherence issue and if protein is pulled from other meals then most protein is from vegetables and starch which is probably not optimal in my assumption.
    and to further clarify this is accurate as the macros are directly off the bag and the vegetable is broccoli in meal 2 and its calculated correctly.. i understand its a large vegetable consumption but i enjoy some large meals.

    also excuse the long comment jus wante to clarify.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      I’ve been deleting it Rob. See comment rule 2.

      Reply
  121. Paul C

    Eric, Andy,

    I’m 5’2, currently at 145.6 around 12/13% bf down from 164 at 24/26% bf.

    I’ve been at 1500 calories because of my size and how short I am.. Losing about 1.5/1.8lbs a week.

    Does this caloric intake sound about right for someone my size?.. and would you have any recommendations for future caloric intake to bring my bf% to 8/9%?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Paul consider this a warning for rule breach. Please note the rules of asking for help on individual setup and “is this right?”.
      Secondly, you are not following the weight loss guidelines in the book which we recommend.

      Reply
  122. Harry

    Hi everyone,

    There’s no guidance regarding implementing techniques like dropsets, giantsets, pre/post exhaust etc.

    Do these techniques have their place within a natural trainee’s programme?

    Would you include them just like any exercise – managing volume across the week?

    The books are great, this is the first time cutting I’ve actually felt like I’m coaching myself intelligently and really making progress, not blindly trying different things.

    Huge thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      There is a reason they aren’t included. Tracking volume using these techniques is hard and they are based on the assumption that fatigue and damage are primary mediators of hypertrophy, which they are not. Can they be effective? Yes. But they aren’t necessary and are hard to quantify.

      And that’s fantastic to hear!

      Reply
  123. Martin

    Hi Andy,

    in the video example for your client Scott, you mention that you recommend 0.9 – 1.3 grams of fat / kg of LBM. In your example, this would mean a daily average of about 73 grams of fat.

    If I use the suggestions from the Nutrition Pyramid, I would have a range of 0.5g / kg of total bodyweight (physical minimum) up to 25 % of your total daily calories. Again, using your example, this would add up to a range of 45g (physical minimum) to 59g of fat if I didn’t make a huge error in my calculation. *

    Is there any reason you are recommending a much higher fat intake than the Nutrition Pyramid recommends?

    (* My calculations are based on Scott’s initial bodyweight of about 90kg and initial daily calory intake of about 2100, assuming he has 3 training days and 4 rest days).

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Martin. In the Nutrition Pyramid we talk about ‘absolute minimum intake’, in the video and on my site I talk about ‘recommended minimum range’.

      Reply
  124. Bert

    For vegetarians, are there any general nutrition recommendations that are not mentioned in the book? For example: perhaps a higher role of BCAA supplementation, or higher daily protein intake due to relatively inferior absorbability of vegetable proteins? or anything else? Thanks.

    -Bert

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Yes, creatine and beta alanine supplementation is recommended more highly as creatine and carnosine are only present in meat. A multivitamin is as well. Zinc and iron (especially in women) are more likely to be deficient. I would recommend blood work ideally.

      Reply
  125. Ryan

    As someone else mentioned, I think it would be incredibly helpful to have excel spreadsheets based on the books sample programs to track periodization and progress available somewhere.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      I don’t disagree and we considered this but not everyone has excel which is why we opted for the online calculator for the nutrition book and the tables in the book. Don’t want people who are without excel to feel like they are missing out.

      Reply
  126. Zachary Kaplan

    when cutting, what progression plan should I attempt to utilize for the intermediate lifter? I feel it is not likely to continue to progress or even possible retain complete strength levels while losing weight over 3-4 months.

    Best Wishes
    Zack

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Zach, good question. We’ll include a note on this in the next edition, for now I’ll take this answer from my book, ‘The Last Shred’.
      What Are Reasonable Expectations For Training Progress When Cutting?

      Recall from part ve that it is possible to gain muscle mass while in a calorie de cit, but our ability to do so decreases with training advancement, severity of the caloric de cit, and leanness.

      For bodybuilding, typically the early phase (say the rst third) of a contest prep diet you can keep volume about the same and still progress. Then during the second third there should probably be a reduction in volume of about 15-25%, and then if necessary another reduction during the nal third of a similar magnitude. To put that another way, in the rst third you’ll still gain muscle mass, in the second third you’ll plateau, and then you’ll make some small losses towards the very end, but ideally you will break even.

      For powerlifting it will be a similar story to the bodybuilder, except with two key di erences. Firstly, there will be no “latter third” with muscle mass losses as the powerlifter does not need to reduce body fat to the same extreme level as the bodybuilder. (Powerlifters will rarely go under 10% body fat, but bodybuilders need to be around the 5-6% mark to be competitive even in natural divisions nowadays, thanks to modern day conditioning bandits like Alberto Nuñez.) Secondly, the latter half of the powerlifter’s cut can go hand in hand with a periodized plan (e.g., linearly periodizing by tapering volume and increasing intensity/load) to get gains in strength to peak for their meet without necessitating muscle gain.

      Regardless of the category of trainee, deloads should be kept in at a regular pace (every four weeks) and not skipped. If someone is fairly new to lifting, or coming back from a break from training, they can expect to make progress for a longer.

      Reply
      • Zachary Kaplan

        Should I switch from the type of progression? I found that I could not maintain progress with linear progression and thus went to double progression still maintaining RPEs and with very slight reduction in volume.

        Reply
  127. Jen

    Hi,

    This question pertains to the females out there who used this books. Since we have a menstrual cycle, what methods would you recommend we go about to track weight? Obviously there are more weight fluctuations for female bodybuilders (females in general) due to water weight gain during certain periods of our cycle. Do you think weight tracking is the best method for females? Or will it cause us to think we are not making progress, or change our macros prematurely? Thank you in advance.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jen.
      Do you think weight tracking is the best method for females?
      Yes, you just need to compare the same time points in your cycle when looking at your tracking data.

      Reply
  128. Harry Smith

    Hi Eric, Andrea and Andy!

    If you could answer that would be great.

    1) The training pyramid doesn’t give any advice on trying to bring up a lagging body part and integrating that into a programme. How would someone structure a program to emphasise / bring up a lagging body part?
    Years of bro splits left me with baby quads and duckling lats.

    2) Eric, your vid with Matt Ogus discussing recovery dieting was great it really helped me out.
    You mentioned learning to love your offseason physique – that the goal is trying to gain fat ASAP when in a recovery diet. I know it is very specific to each individual but do you have any advice regarding structuring macros for this period of the recovery diet – is there any research in this field that could answer my questions for me?

    All the best,

    Harry

    Reply
      • Harry

        Thanks Andy, the podcast was great

        Reply
  129. Hamza Mahmood

    Hey guys! I still consider myself a novice but was thinking if I could us Wendell’s 5/31 or Smolov Jr (7/5/3) as an intermediate. I am not sure if these two programs are categorized as linear periodization. I would love if somebody can clarify the type of progression used in these programs.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Please see the fourth comment rule Hamza.

      Reply
  130. Edwin Samaniego

    How can I regain my password for my calculator for macros

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      See the first listing in the resources chapter Edwin.

      Reply
  131. Andre

    Eric,

    I’ve noticed that with the 2-3 week frequency recommendation for each bodypart,all of your sample programs are allowing for 48 hours rest at minimum before you train the same muscle group again. I was curious if it was suitable to train the same muscle on back to back days.

    Let me explain my reason for asking and provide some context. I do all of my training at my home but go to a local gym once per week on the weekend because I like some of the equipment they have for back. There is also a chest Fly Machine there which targets my pecs extremely well.

    So my question is, Do you think it is suitable to train chest on Saturday (at home) and follow that up with 2-3 sets of Flies (at the gym) on Sunday and then have another Chest day on Tuesday or Wednesday, later in the week?

    I would assume this is acceptable because the chest volume is low on the Sunday workout and I’ve always seen Layne Norton programs where he trains the same muscle either twice in the same day or back to back days as does the Russian Smolov programs. However, I just wanted to get your take on this.

    -Andre

    Reply
  132. Thomas Fogarty

    I have a question I just stared the advanced bodybuilding upper/lower routine. I know you mentioned about now having ab exercises In there but I do like doing some ab exercises like the hanging leg raises. Could I do the hanging leg raises after my lower body workout? i just don’t want to fatigue my lats for the following day

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Thomas, think of it like this.
      If you do them do you find your lats fatigued the following day? More importantly, does this hamper you from training as intended on that day? There aren’t any yes or no answers here, it just comes down to diligent self experimentation.

      Reply
  133. Bert

    So weighing yourself every day and averaging throughout the week should take care of daily fluctuations. What about fluctuations on the weekly averages? Should you be able to see a nice progressive increase or decrease at this level?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Bert, thanks for the question.
      It’s still normal to have fluctuations but the trend should be clearer.

      Reply
  134. Matt

    Finished the Nutrition portion of the 2 part book (Muscle and Strength Pyramid). Amazing info!

    I am finding that many Protein powders list the BCAA totals, but rarely include a breakdown. Was hoping you could thumbs up/thumbs down a few that have adequate Leucine content. Or simply offer insight on validity to ON’s Platinum Hydrowhey? Much appreciated!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Sorry, this has to be down to you Matt. We can’t be responsible for recommending specific products.

      Reply
  135. Jay

    Hey Guys,

    I had a question regarding protein intakes for a somewhat enhanced athlete. One of my older friends has just started on testosterone replacement therapy due to low levels and he asked me what his protein intake should be. As he is not doing it for a cycle and rather therapy he is injecting 1ml per fortnight. He said he’s just wanting to maintain and/or get slightly leaner. Do you think his requirements for macros (namely protein) be a little higher as his levels will soon be elevated?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jay. As the dose your friend is taking is there to push him into the normal physiological range, not beyond, I’d go with the recommendations as they are.

      Reply
  136. David

    I followed the 2 week maitenance calorie calculator method you provided in the nutrtion pyramid but between my 2 weekely averages i lost 1.2 pounds. Would i mulitply 3500 by 1.2 or how should i equate with that number? Thank you so much.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi David. Yes, multiply by 1.2. However as the drop is quite high a better option would be to wait another week to rule out water/glycogen fluctuations, then do the math from there.

      Reply
  137. Abby

    I have 2 questions in regards to the “nutrition-aid” section/support section.

    1. Under energy balance, it mentions “low day”. Is this only 1 day and then a 1 refeed day (which was recommended). Are the other 5 days “normal cutting calorie days”? Or is it 6 low days and 1 refeed days?

    1b. If I leave out the number of refeeds, it gives me a certain calorie number for the low day, but if I put in 1 as recommended, it gives me a completely different number. Is there a reason for this? Should I leave the refeed number out? Or keep it in? (Hopefully this makes sense)

    2. Under macronutrients, it says there is a minimum of 22.5% fat, but in the book it says anywhere between 15-25%. Is this based on my weight/calorie range/activity level? I’m confused on why it won’t let me use 20%, what I would like to put. But want to follow the correct guidelines.

    Thank you!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Abby I am assuming you are referring to the calculator not the book itself. You might want to read fully through the book before using it and these answers will become apparent. The book recommends 1 to 3 refeeds per week depending on how lean you are. The calculator automatically selects 1 2 or 3 based on bodyfat entered but you can manually adjust it. Low days are all the days of the week that aren’t refeeds. So 6 low days if there is 1 refeed 5 if there are 2 refeeds etc.

      And the book also mentions a fat minimum of .5g/kg regardless of percentage of calories. So it won’t let you go below that.

      Reply
  138. Paul C

    Eric, Andy,

    I was just wondering…

    Is there a specific place we can place our results due to having the knowledge of the two books? Like a ‘book success’ page of some sort?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      No, but that’s a good idea. Let me make a page and I’ll get back to you in a reply Paul.

      Reply
      • Paul C

        Andy, also, was looking to see if you’d agree with my calorie intake.. Sounds horrible but, I’m at 1500 since I’m 5’2.. Dropped from around 22/24% body fat to 13ish, just to see if I can make it. I have about 8 more weeks to my cut, do you think 1500 is too low? It’s been constant and I’ve been losing around 1.5/2 lbs a week

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          I just made this page for testimonials.
          As for your question, please see comment rule 2.

          Reply
  139. Ainsley Martens

    Hello,
    1. Is it safe for an overweight individual to lose weight at a faster rate than already fit individual. If so, what rate (how many pounds per week) would you recommend?
    2. What are your thoughts on having a different set of macros for rest days and for training days? How would you go about calculating this?
    3. If you have a client who is experiencing things like low energy levels, having bad workouts, not sleeping well, very hungry or not hungry at all, would you make macro adjustments for things alone/ what adjustments would you make? How would looking at the data influence that decision (making progress, or not making progress)?
    Thank you 🙂

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Ainsley, thanks for the questions.
      1. The more fat that is carried, the quicker it can be lost without muscle mass losses. However, sustainability is key. This is the reason for the 1% of bodyweight per week upper limit guideline.
      2. Sure, you can do that. Maintain the weekly calorie balance, have more on the training than the test. Thoughts and calculations are on my site here.
      3. I’d instruct them to have a diet break while we figure out the reason. Could be that the energy intake is too low, the training volume too high, a high level of stress, poor sleep environment or not getting into bed early enough. I wrote an entire book on this, but you can get the short course here.

      Hope that helps.

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  140. Marc

    On page 85 of the strength pyramid book (which refers to how to progress on the strength days of the daily undulating periodization periodization scheme), it says: “you can use linear progression on your strength days such has been outlined previously for intermediates, or you can run through this cycle in longer blocks and test every 5-6 rotations (8-10 weeks) after a taper.”

    I don’t understand what you mean by ‘or you can run through this cycle in longer blocks’. What progression scheme are you actually following (on the strength days) as you’re running through the cycle? Is it still going to be a linear periodization type of progression where you increase the weight at the same time as dropping the reps? But if so, how can you follow that progression scheme for 8 weeks whilst only deloading after 8 weeks – your rep range would be massive (like, from 10 reps on week 1 down to 3 reps on week 8)…?

    Basically, how do you actually progress on strength days of DUP if you chose to ‘run through this cycle in longer blocks’?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Marc for actual week by week examples of how to run longer progression cycles of DUP just take a look at the advanced powerlifting and bodybuilding sample programs at the end of the book.

      Reply
      • Marc

        Thanks for the reply.

        I think there is a slight discrepancy between the accumulation block of the advanced bodybuilder sample program (seen on page 161) and the guidelines for the accumulation block in the ‘integrating block periodization’ section (seen on page 81)?

        On page 81 it says that you should increase reps done per muscle group throughout the 6 week accumulation block, whereas on page 161 the reps done per muscle group actually decrease throughout the accumulation block.

        On page 81 it says that the accumulation block should last for 6 weeks, whereas on page 161 it lasts 4 weeks only.

        On page 81 it says that the frequency of hitting each muscle group should increase from week 4 onwards, whereas on page 161 this doesn’t happen (since the block ends on week 4).

        I realize that the program on page 161 is a sample, but I’m confused since it doesn’t seem to be following the rules previously outlined for the accumulation block on page 81? Especially since the guidelines on page 81 state that the reps per muscle group should increase as the accumulation block goes on, yet the example on page 161 shows the opposite…

        And, if you were to follow the guidelines on page 81 and thus increase reps done by 10 reps per muscle group per week (for the first 3 weeks of the accumulation block) – does the weight stay the same? You just literally add in 10 reps with the same weight each session? For example;

        Week 1: squat, 200lbs x 3 sets x 10 reps
        Week 2: squat, 200lbs x 4 sets x 10 reps
        Week 3: squat, 200lbs x 5 sets x 10 reps

        Is that right?

        Reply
        • Eric Helms

          Marc, the sample programs can’t break the rules earlier in the book, because the book doesn’t provide rules 🙂 Both accumulation blocks are perfectly fine approaches to training. Remember the goal of this book is to learn how to program not to think there is only one way to do it.

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          • Marc

            OK, great and thanks for the reply.

            But could you let me know the method by which you’re meant to add in the additional reps if using the accumulation block progression outlined on page 81 (whereby you add 10 reps per muscle group per week)? Firstly, I’m assuming those 10 additional reps should be at the same load as the working sets?

            This is not a personal question, I’m asking this as an example to understand how you’re meant to add sets and reps: what if you’re doing sets with reps that are not divisible by 10 – for example, sets of 7 reps? To add the additional 10 reps on subsequent weeks, would you add additional sets of 7 (until the next set of 7 reps would give you more than 10 total additional reps over last weeks session), then if necessary tack on one more set of however many reps it takes to make the number of additional reps (over last week’s rep total) equal to 10?

            For example;

            Week 1: (200lbs x 7 reps x 3 sets) = 21 reps
            Week 2: (200lbs x 7 reps x 4 sets) + (200lbs x 3 reps x 1 set) = 31 reps
            Week 3: (200lbs x 7 reps x 5 sets) + (200lbs x 6 reps x 1 set) = 41 reps
            Week 4: (200lbs x 7 reps x 7 sets) + (200lbs x 2 reps x 1 set) = 51 reps

            …?

          • Eric Helms

            It’s per bodypart not per exercise. And if you are off by 2 or 3 reps it doesn’t matter so long as the principle of increasing volume in a stepwise fashion is being followed. This is not math there is not a black or white right or wrong answer.

  141. Steven

    Have a quick question regarding biceps. All of my back work involves straps and a thumbless grip. Since this limits the biceps in the movement to a degree, would it be ok to add in direct bicep work on the advanced bodybuilding program? If so, how much would you recommend, especially if arms are a weak point?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Steven.
      Absolutely. Not meaning to be vague here but however much is needed. Start with the recommendations, and add from there if necessary.

      Reply
  142. Casper Kristensen

    Thanks for the answer Eric. How long do you recommend to stick to the same exercise? Fx if I choose pulldown for vetical pulling exercise for 4 weeks (including deload), should I change the exercise here or can I stick to the same for another 4 weeks?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      At least 4 weeks stay the same. I typically have athletes stay with the same accessories for roughly 8 weeks or so.

      Reply
  143. Mark A.

    Thanks Eric!

    Just an anecdotal account of this, I noticed with myself I lost a bit more upon returning to a deficit with higher calories as opposed to returning to my previous macros prior to the diet break.
    Last time I resumed dieting with the same macros, my hunger was through the roof and weight was stalled along with measurements.

    I hope a second follow up question is okay if you have time…. Being a follower of other 3DMJ athletes and their training protocols, how would you implement a ‘deload’ with regards to one that is training with an auto regulated program such as RPEs?

    Any rough guidelines you suggest?

    Again thank you for the quick response!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      For sure happy to help and always better to diet on more calories if able.

      And for sure, typically I reduce RPE a full point on the scale and reduce volume by one third.

      Reply
  144. Joshua

    I was just wondering what days you recommend putting the additional 2-3 sets of 8-15 reps of bi, tris, and hamstring curl when addin it to the intermediate powerlifting program as seen in the dual athlete part.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Whichever days you have time to fit them in, they shouldn’t interfere much with the main lifts.

      Reply
      • Josh

        Awesome thanks so much for the confirmation. Keep up spreading the truth.

        Reply
  145. Tulik

    Deloads question:

    I’m doing bodybuilding program with wave loading progression for compound movements, and basic/double progression for rest of the exercises, every 4th week it’s a deload week by the book.

    The question is, i should to deload for all exercise in my training program, or just do it for compound movements?

    Thank you.

    Reply
  146. Albano

    The book is available in Spanish?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      No, the book is only available in English at this time.

      Reply
  147. Junior

    Hey,

    I’m really enjoying the book, It’s very handy to have all this information conveniently organised at your fingertips. You guys & Andrea have done an excellent job.

    I just have a few queries regarding advanced powerlifting programming.

    When running back-to-back accumulation blocks how would you suggest increasing maxes between blocks? Adding 2.5kgs-5kgs to your max before the next block, or AMRAP testing at the end of first block then using that to estimate maxes for the subsequent accumulation block.

    Also, would you suggest a deload after AMRAP testing, or performing AMRAPs @8-9RPE to ensure you’re not to beat up and can just right into the next block.

    I’m really looking forward to running the advanced tapering approach outlined in the sample programs I’ve always been afraid of doing too much or too little on meet week and this looks spot on.

    Thankyou.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Junior, thank you for the kind words, and honestly, great questions. It can work both ways in either instance and will come down to the individual. If you can be sure to complete all prescribed volume in an accumulation block after increasing maxes by 2.5-5kg and you know you won’t be hitting failure a lot or risking missed reps, you can run two accumulation blocks without testing. OR, you can do AMRAPS, not necessarily a right or wrong answer. And if the week following the AMRAPs has sufficiently light loads, and you won’t be near failure, the AMRAPs shouldn’t put you back too far. However some people get pretty beat up from maxing and they might benefit from a deload, but AMRAPS to a ~9RPE can sometimes solve this.

      Reply
  148. Alex

    Hi,

    Would the novice bodybuilding routine be suitable for someone relatively new to the weight room, with only a couple of weeks spent on technique and light weights? Or is it intended more for someone who has gone through a ‘proper’ beginner routine before?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      If your technique is solid and you can lift in a safe manner, you could start it, but that’s not most people after only being in the weight room for a couple weeks, you might want to give it another couple weeks of ingraining form before jumping in.

      Reply
  149. Casper

    Hi guys. Just started the Intermediate Bodybuilding program. When choosing exercises, it is better to stick with the same exercise for several weeks and it is better to switch? Should you choose the same vertical pulling exercise for both “upper” and “pull” or can you choose to differents?

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Keep it the same within the day, but you can have different movements on each day if you’d like. Read the exercise selection level/chapter if you want more info on the potential pros/cons, but it likely won’t make much of a difference.

      Reply
  150. Freddy

    Hi guys,
    I really liked your ‘Muscle & Strength Training Pyramid” series on YouTube, Eric!

    I’m thinking about buying both books but was wondering if the books (and the sample workout programs) address athletes like football or basketball players or if the books are more for bodybuilders and powerlifters.

    Of course I understand that the information and principles can be applied by any athlete but just wanted to know if the books address athletes like football players specifically.

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      They only address bodybuilding and powerlifting directly as sports, but of course the principles apply directly to anyone who desires gaining strength or muscle mass.

      Reply
  151. Mark A.

    Hello!

    My general question is if you could give an example of how to re enter a dieting phase after a diet break… Does one resume the same deficit and previous macros or can one start a deficit at a higher intake prior to the diet break!?

    Thanks

    – Mark

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Good question, you might be able to diet on higher calories than before after a diet break, or, if you were stalled you might be able to make progress on the calories you were at previously when you were stalled. I would just try going back to where you were, and if you lose too fast you can always increase calories a bit.

      Reply
  152. Aditya

    I was following the novice progression scheme and things were going great. I completed a lower body (LB1) and an upper body (UB1) session in the week that just passed on Monday and Tuesday respectively. But, I fell horribly ill on Wednesday and couldn’t train till Sunday (today). I missed my LB2 and UB2 workouts. I should be fine by tomorrow (Monday) to hit the gym again. Should I pick up where I left off by doing the LB2 and UB2 on Monday and Tuesday and then continue? What about the progression numbers? Should I go ahead with the five/ten pound increments on the weights for various exercises? Or keep the weight the same as the previous week just for this week? Or should I recalculate my 1RM?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Aditya. When sick, just pick up where you left off. Shit happens. You weren’t in the middle of a carefully planned phase to have you peaking for a competition, so don’t overthink it.

      Reply
  153. Sam

    Hi guys,

    First off, love the books, they’re really helpful.

    Secondly, I was wondering if you could help me out. Per the guidelines in the book, I’ve definitely passed the intermediate level. I’m not in a position to progress my lifts week to week, but I can’t say for certain I’d be able to hit the gym 6 days/week to train consistently. So I feel given the base of the pyramid is adherence, that the advanced bodybuilding program isn’t appropriate, but there’s no way I can progress my lifts weekly. I quite like the layout of the intermediate program, do you have any recommendations for adapting this for an advanced lifter that can’t train six days a week? Possibly doing 3×4-6 on the heavy days for three weeks and a deload, and then 3×3-5 maybe followed by some testing? Or would rotating the main lifts be a possible solution, or maybe a combination of the two?

    Thanks for the help.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Sam, you certainly don’t have to use the exact templates. And even the intermediate level you don’t really make progress on a week to week basis. With the wave loading as set up, you really only increase the load for the same number of reps every 5th week. My advice, is just start with the intermediate approach or something similar, and see how you fair. If you stall out on the progressions in a couple months, the you can try an approach where you organize your lifts in an accumulation->intensification setup with testing AMRAPs every ~8 weeks or so. Check out the progression chapter for an example of how to do it, and set something up that fits your schedule

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  154. Frank

    My bad if this was covered and I just missed it, but why is having separate high intensity days and dedicated medium/low intensity days better than a mix every day? Basically, I see a lot of programs that start with a main lift at high intensity, and then followed by assistance work, but you guys obviously have reasons for why you organized the week the way you did, but I’m not sure I understand why that’s preferred?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Frank you’ll notice there is actually a mix of both in the programs. Not sure if you’ve looked through both the bodybuilding and powerlifting programs fully. But, more so what is important than separating intensity/rep ranges, is simply ensuring you have days that are lower in stress comparatively to the high stress days so you can ensure recovery across the week before you go into the days where you need to be at your best to push loads close to your limit.

      Reply
  155. Matt

    In terms of progressing from one program to the next, I assume that when progress halts while in a calorie deficit, even following a couple deloads as prescribed in the book, it doesn’t make sense to progress to the next level, correct (e.g. beginner to intermediate)? Do you just keep deloading and trying again, focusing on at least maintaining performance, until the diet is no longer restrictive?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      The workouts templates are examples of how you might go about organizing your training, a starting point if you’re struggling fro ideas. We don’t want you to jump from the one to the other, build your own by adding volume and/or exercises to keep yourself progressing based on the principles within the book.

      Reply
  156. Andy Cowan

    Been Considering these e-books but just wondering if there was a great deal about cutting for a show? Where to keep carbs at.. Front load or back load or stay the same for week out. or does it depend on where your at? how much carbs the day of? Water retention… how to you get it out of the skin for the “Dry look” is it achievable for the physique athletes not on Roids? male or female, can they achieve the dry look. More interested in the cutting procedure as i have a good background with in exercise science and weight training (current fitness director, Personal trainer, Kinesiology grad) just the nutrition part when getting close to a show is what i’m struggling with. Big fan of you guys and Jacob Wilson. Also fallow Ogus (give him a Some credit for when i buy. But again does the E-Book cover this in detail or do you have another one regarding Cutting/Pre-show (2 or 3 weeks out) Thank so much!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Andy, this book is all about setting up a diet and individualizing it, but doesn’t go into the specifics of peak week if you’re looking for that specifically. You’re welcome!

      Reply
  157. Blake

    When the book says 10 min of HIIT what exactly does that mean? Is it 30sec on 30sec off for 10 min, 10 min of the max effort intervals or some other permutation?

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The book actually gives estimated calorie burn for 10 minutes of vigorous activity rather than HIIT. And there isn’t necessarily a one size fits all approach for HIIT or one that is definitely better than the other. You have a lot of choice here, 1:1 ratio of work to rest can certainly be an option if you have the conditioning to do that.

      Reply
  158. Keefe

    Thanks for the two great books!
    Just a question about the novice/intermediate sample bodybuilding programs.

    For both programs, Upper A advised Horizontal Push first, then Vertical Push
    In the novice program, Upper B advised Horizontal Push first, then Vertical Push
    In the intermediate program, Upper B(or Push) advised Vertical Push first, then Horizontal Push.

    Why the change? And the does it really matter which comes first? Thanks for the advice!! (:

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Keefe, thank you. I don’t believe it was written with any specific reason in mind, feel free to go with the ordering of your preference.

      Reply
  159. Manuel

    hi guys, i have three questions

    1. what about rest days, is there any recommendation on cutting phase or bulking or it’s all about to match the volumen on the week?

    2. what about drinking simples sugars after training, it’s could be contraproducente for cutting phase or something like that?

    3. calves and forearm count as a leg and arm group or should I consider them as a separate group?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Manuel, thank you for the questions.
      1. I don’t understand the meaning of this.
      2. Technically, no, not counterproductive as long as the calorie/macro targets for the day are met. However, hunger is the enemy of the dieter, it’s better to eat your calories rather than drink them. This comes back to level 1 – Adherence.
      3. Separate, but be aware of exercise overlap. (Many pulling movements will train the forearms due to the gripping element. Squats and lunges will indirectly train the calves, etc.)

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  160. Lee

    Hello Thanks for the great books.
    I am confused on how to figure how many calories to add if I want to gain.
    I figured out my maintenance.
    The formula for adding calories is 3500 x target rate of gain per mo / 30.
    Mine would be : 3500 x 1%/30 – 1.16. I would only ad 1 calorie a day?
    I have read and re read this, look at the examples and can’t figure out how you come up with the numbers.
    Thanks of your help.
    Lee

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Lee, thanks for your patience.
      In this case the target rate of weight gain should be in pounds.

      Reply
  161. zachary kaplan

    In regards to wave loading progression for intermediates. For horizontal pulling 4 x 6-4 should this be done on a wave loading approach? Should all pulling movements be used on a wave loading approach? I find that it is hard to continuely progress with wave loading, would there be a decrease in rate of progression if i performed all lifts (compound and isolation) in a double progression format based on my own recovery capacity? I know I am no where near an advanced lifter based on strength and/or size.

    Thank you for all your effort. This is the best investment I’ve made in regards to weight training and diet
    Best Wishes
    Zack Kaplan

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Zach, thank you, glad to hear that.

      – In terms of progression speed: Linear progression > linear periodization > double progression.

      For all exercises, choose the one furthest to the left of the continuum that you can actually progress with. This is the way you’ll progress fastest. When you can’t do the one, you move onto the next.

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  162. Oliver

    If a non-compeditor starts bulking at 8% bf, then bulk up to 15% bf and then cut to 8% again to repeat the cycle, how big should the defizit be? A slow cut, as you tell in the book (0.5-1% bf/W) or a faster Cut (0.75-1% bf/W) to save time and bulk again. Or is a shorter bulk cycle with mini-cuts the best way to go? (8 till 12% BF, then a minicut).

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Oliver, thanks for the questions.
      How big should the defizit be?
      – Whatever is necessary to bring around the target rate of weight loss.
      …or is a shorter bulk cycle with mini-cuts the best way to go?
      In terms of different ways of bulking and their pros and cons, this article I wrote on the subject is thorough.
      How To Adjust Your Diet To Successfully Bulk

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  163. Adam

    I realized that on the deload section of the book it looks like i should be deloading every 4 weeks pretty much no matter what for continuous progress, i searched through the FAQ but it doesnt seem like this specific ? was asked directly….so am i correct in saying that every exercise of every workout is deloaded on the 4th week, or just certain ones …as i read through the book it looked like everything is supposed to be deloaded on the 4th week but im just making sure..thanks

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Adam. Yes, though this isn’t a hard and fast rule, as with everything in the book, it’s important to tailor it to your individual recovery capacity/progression. However, if you don’t have an idea of that yet and are looking for a starting point, go with every 4 weeks.

      Reply
  164. Jorge Sosa

    Is it possible to buy only one of the books ?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jorge, sure. Just scroll down to here.

      The place to you can choose to buy just the one ebook.

      Reply
  165. Danny

    Do reps from isolation movements count towards your volume recommendation of 40-70 reps?
    If so, isn’t it true that you produce less volume load when doing isolation exercises compared to compound exercises when you equate total reps?

    Thanks Eric Helms and 3DMJ Crew!

    Reply
  166. JR

    Is there a guide on how to create your own workout log on spreadsheet/ google drive to track periodization and your progress?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi JR. Not currently, though we could look to put one out in the future. I’m definitely keen on that idea.

      Reply
  167. Harley

    Ik that Andy cut me off but this is a serious well thought out question…

    [Cut by Andy]

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Harley, one thing that’s important to understand is that I (we) live and die by my reputation(s). I have a solid one, because what I say I will do, I always do.

      Figure it out.

      Reply
  168. Joseph

    How much would more added assistance for hypertrophy affect the intermediate power lifting program? I was thinking of kind of using and open list of some assurance movements e.i. Curls, pushdowns, cables flyes etc.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Joseph.
      Sure you could do that. Impossible to quantify though. The point of the programs is to give you a base from which to test, adjust, and experiment to see what works best for you.

      Reply
  169. Tulik

    Hi, i started my own program after reading the books, i’m doing wave loading progression for compound movements.
    I’m right now on week 3 and i have a little problem with bench press, and only with bench press because other compound movements are ok with the progression.

    Let me show you what i did, and please tell me how to proceed
    Week 1 – Bench Press – 3X8 – 70KG
    Week 2 – Bench Press – 3X7 – 72.5KG
    Week 3 – Bench Press – 3X6 – 75KG
    Week 4 – Deload (right now i’m on week 3)

    The problem: on week 3 i did 2 sets of 6 reps, and the third set only for 5 reps, what i do in this situation?

    Thank you.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tulik, this will happen from time to time, just work to progress anyway. Though if it happens consistently you look to change up the VIF in some way.

      Reply
      • Tulik

        1. So just continue to increase weight next cycle after the deload week?
        or try to stay with same weight and complete full 3 sets of 6 reps next cycle?

        2. Another question off topic, when you calculate protein, you did from all foods you eat the same day, or just from foods that is lean protein like eggs, meat, protein powder, etc… (I’m asking because there is protein in rice, peanut butter,etc.. )

        Thank you!

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          1. I’d do the latter, as it’s more conservative, but if you’re feeling really good on the day you can try for the increase.
          2. Yes, it all counts.

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  170. Dennis

    For people using kg instead of lbs. Beware that the calculation based on the 3500 rule on page 39 does not work if you use kg in the equation. You have to convert your weight to lbs and then use the 3500 formula to calculate your calories above maintenance. It took me like 10min to figure this out cause i kept getting completely different results when i did the equation with the 82kg intermediate instead of using 180lbs.

    You should definitely make people aware of this in the book.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Yes it is important to realize that 1kg is not equal to 1lbs. The book clearly states that the 3500 calorie rule is for 1lbs not 1kg.

      Reply
      • Dennis

        I’ve read it 2 times through and it doesn’t say anywhere explicitly that in the equation you should use lbs and not kg…

        Anyway, even though the training pyramid book spends a great deal on progression and what to do in many cases, the nutrition book does not at all i feel like. There is literaly 2 sentences that take on the topic what you should do when you do not gain or lose weight and those refer to the 3500 calorie rule.

        What do you do when you don’t gain weight? What do you do when you don’t lose weight? What do you do when you’re gaining to much fat? How do you adjust your macro in the case that you are gaining weight but to much fat? What if you are losing fat but to much muscle in the process? Protein is best calculated by body weight, but what if you dont gain any weight, do you simply adjust fats and carbs and leave protein as it is? What if you are allready consuming the highest protein recommendation for your bodyweight, do you bring up protein even more? I can ask a dozen questions like that and i feel like the book tells me nothing about what to do.

        It clearly explains that anything above a certain amount of monthly bodyweight gain will likely by fat, but it doesn’t tell you what you should or can do if you are actually gaining to much fat. It also doesn’t touch the subject of differences between peoples metabolism, wich have a huge impact on how much calories someone may need. Those aimed caloric surplusses in the book for example will make an ectomorph guy like my cry like a baby.

        I’ve got a great deal out of the training book, but the nutrition book didn’t tell me much i didn’t know yet except confusing me a ton with that 3500 calorie rule and it leaves me with alot of questions regarding progression. That subject isnt even mentioned.

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        • Eric Helms

          Dennis, I’m always happy to take critique, but not if it’s just innacurate:

          Page 28 “1 lb (~0.5 kg) of adipose tissue contains ~3500 calories”

          Page 29 “Hypothetically, if you gained 1 lb (~0.5 kg) of fat in a week, you would be, on average, consuming ~500 calories more than your maintenance per day, as 7 days x 500 calories = 3500.”

          page 31 “As previously discussed, 3500 calories roughly equates to 1 lb (~0.5 kg) of adipose tissue”

          page 32 “a 3500 kcal deficit per week and I would be able to lose a pound weekly”

          page 36 “Combining this fact and the metabolic cost of creating muscle tissue, the “3500 calorie rule” actually holds up decently well for setting up your diet for weight gain as well as weight loss [14]. This is not to say that a pound (~0.5 kg) of muscle mass has 3500 calories in it, but rather, that you may have to increase your calories more than expected to gain muscle because of the energetic cost of synthesizing this muscle. ”

          page 37 “3500 kcals is the value of 1 lb (~0.5 kg) of adipose tissue, ”

          page 49 “using the ‘3500 calorie rule’ of losing approximately a pound per week (~0.5 kg),”

          page 73 “For example, if you want to lose 1.5 lbs (~0.7 kg) per week, you need to produce a 5250 kcal deficit per week (3500 x 1.5).”

          NOW, with that out of the way, Dennis I do agree that the book is light on adjustments to keep progress going. And this is something the second edition will have more of, and anyone who bought the bundle will get a free update. To help you out in the interim, keeping protein static and adjusting calories up and down (and cardio if you are cutting) to stay in the target rate of weight gain/loss is the way to go. When you aren’t losing or gaining an easy rule of thumb is to either increase or decrease calories by 100kcal/day and then see how you fair in the next week or two.

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  171. Prasanna Thani

    Great job with the books, absolutely love it – thanks! Searched the FAQ (ctrl+F) and didn’t see these posted above (apologize in advance if they were!), so thought I’d go ahead and ask:

    1. How will updates to the book be handled? Will emails be sent to the users who bought the bundle informing them an update is available? Or will there be a page on your site somewhere that shows what the current version of the book is?

    2. The nutrition pyramid had great resources in terms of tools to help pick and choose a meal plan using the framework provided in the book – which was great! The training pyramid discusses the importance of form and proper technique on exercises, but I didn’t see a resource that I could use to validate if I’m doing it right. Does that mean the only alternative is to hire a professional? Is there a site/book you’d recommend to ensure we’re doing the compound lifts correctly – especially seeing how important proper form would be?

    Cheers,
    Prasanna

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      1. We’ll be sending out an email once a second edition is written
      2. A book isn’t the best tool for teaching proper form. Google is a good tool to find form videos, however in person instruction by a trained professional would be ideal. Find someone who is a CSCS or certified personal trainer who is also a competitive raw powerlifter to teach you the compound barbell lifts.

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  172. Joseph

    So with the intermediate powerlifting program example it is a 4 days a week schedule. Would you complete these as 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off? So Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday ?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Yes that’s a perfectly fine way to do it. Or you could do 2 on 2 off 2 on 1 off, or if you schedule demanded a different organization.

      Reply
  173. Octavio

    Hello team M&SP,

    First of all, I want to congratulate and THANK YOU for such an awesome piece of work for us bodybuilders, powerlifters, powerbuilders, trainers, and everyone in between. It’s life-changing.

    I just wanted to point out a possible typo on the %1RM for “Week 2, day 6 – Upper” in the sample “Advanced Bodybuilding Intensification Block.” Reviewing the other sample routines, and Lower body progression of the same routine, I think it was supposed to be an 85% for that week, instead of that 87.5%1RM.

    Maybe it was already pointed out by someone else… it not, I hope this clears some possible confusion for the readers.

    Maybe someone else already pointed it out, but it not

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Fantastic catch thank you! Going to change this and will be updated in the next edition.

      Reply
  174. Nicolas Ahumada

    Thank you for the answer. I forgot to ask, what are the file format of the books? pdf? Thank you

    Reply
  175. Harley

    Andy, i realized when using your calculator to set up my macros that it gave me an option to have my rest days with a slightly lower calorie count and it also gave me a macro count that i could keep the same for everyday of the week….if im working out 5 days a week which it says you can use either one….i read somewhere in the book that you could be robbing yourself if you cut calories down too much on rest days..any explanation to this
    thanks

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      “I read somewhere in the book that you could be robbing yourself if you cut calories down too much on rest days”
      The bolding is key.

      You’re young and very new to this information. You’re reading these books and trying to follow them as a guide, while also having downloaded a free guide on my own site with slightly different nuances. The issue is that you don’t currently have enough experience to see these as “nuances”, they just look like conflicts. On top of this you have a coach who will probably be telling you other things. Do yourself a favor, put my book down, stick with these, follow it solidly for a year or two, then you’ll start to see the shades of gray instead of just black and white.

      No more questions. I’m cutting you off for your own good, cause you’re just writing without thinking things through fully at any point that things pop into your head. 6 in a week is more than fair, plus it’s overwhelming for us authors to answer.

      Read, digest, put it into practice, and you’ll do well. Good luck Harley.

      Reply
      • Harley

        okay..thank you, i totally respect that…im going put everything to trial and make things happen.

        in a way i appreciate you cutting me off haha…now it is time to make gains!

        Reply
  176. Matt

    Hi guys, thanks again for all the feedback. A few quick questions:

    1) Andy, on your site you’ve advised against doing dips but I see they are prescribed in the Intermediate bodybuilding template. What’s changed?

    2) For someone feeling a bit beat up from heavy lifting, what do you think about running a month or two with your templates but in a slightly higher rep range (instead of 3-5s, do 6-8s on “heavy” days; and 8-12 and 12-15s on lighter days). Especially if hypertrophy is the primary goal, this sound like a good idea? Should number of sets be decreased?

    3) When moving to the Intermediate program, based on the premise that we should only be lifting as much volume as necessary to make progress, would it not make sense to add a couple sets to the 4-day Novice bodybuilding template before adding in an entire whole new day of lifting?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Matt, thanks for the questions:
      1. Sure, my opinion hasn’t changed, but the book was a joint effort, not mine alone. Personally, I think they pose an unnecessary risk so I don’t program them for clients for the most part. Up to you. This is where critical thinking comes in Matt.
      2. You could, but that’s avoiding the underlying issue of built up fatigue. Recall the fitness-fatigue model starting on page 32. Take a week off. Start taking the monthly deloads recommended. If you still feel beat up then cut back volume. That should do it. Then, if you still have issues, try lighter weights in the higher loads. Unless you have genuine joint issues though that should be unnecessary.
      3. Absolutely! 🙂

      Reply
  177. Nicolas Ahumada

    Question: Is it available for Kindle? I’ve looked in the Amazon store and I couldn’t find it. Thank you

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Nicholas you can purchase the books and then email or USB transfer the books so you can read them on your kindle.

      Reply
  178. zachary kaplan

    Hope all is well,

    I currently find myself in the same rut as passed training experiences. I am attempting to increase weight via the two intermediate strategies “wave loading compound/double progression isolation”. However, I believe I am misinterpreting the definition of failure and thus am progressing with weight while form is suffering and ultimately mentally and physically burning out. Should I judge failure as an inability to no longer complete a rep with a continuous fluid motion, or when form breaks down. I realize the two often coincide. My goal is hypertrophy and I honestly struggle with understanding when to increase weight. Should I remain at a certain weight when my RPE for the given set/rep has decreased? I believe understanding this point and checking my ego will hopefully get me back on track. Again thank you for your time and effort.

    Best Wishes
    Zack

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Zack I think an easy way to think of it is that if you have to change the form to do an exercise you’re no longer doing the same exercise. As far as the RPE question it’s already been answered. But yes check your ego and focus on following the progression plan.

      Reply
      • zachary kaplan

        Thank you. I really appreciate the advice and the prompt reply

        Reply
  179. Togay Koç

    I just wanted to thank you guys for the training book. Using the templates and guidance I have gained new excitement in my training and feel that I have the tools to make my own specific programme. Thank you so much, mission accomplished!

    Reply
  180. Harley

    I noticed in the nutrition book it mentions that on a gaining phase you should have around 0.2g/lb of protein before and post workout and cutting you should have protein and carbs pre and post WO…..

    my question is that when gaining should your meals also contain carbs10-20% and if so during gaining or cutting does it matter if the post workout carbs are fast or slow digesting carbs ……and should fat be excluded from post workout since it slows digestion

    sorry for all the questions but i am trying to make sure i understand everything completely

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      We didn’t leave anything out. The recommendations are correct as written for both cutting and gaining. And if we didn’t mention GI its because it doesn’t matter.

      Reply
  181. Harley

    One thing i noticed as reading through the books is that my coach has me on a really really high volume workout…my question is that after my scheduled time with him is over in about a month, will switching to the amount of volume that you describe in your books which is a little lower than what my coach is having me train at now affect my gains( in the idea of adaptation and my body now being adapted to the higher amount of volume, and then switching to yours at a lower volume) will i still make gains?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Harley a lot of your questions are the same “I was doing this before, now I’m going to change is that okay?”

      You’ll never get anywhere without experimentation and you aren’t going to be lifting for 6 months but hopefully the rest of your life. Give it a shot see what happens and no more fear based questions! 🙂

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      • Harley

        Haha, i appreciate it and yes you are correct, i always tend to over think things… i have realized now that i just have to experiment…i am sticking to my current diet now during my deload then once this deload week is finished which is at the end of my cut i am going to be implementing all the new techniques i have learned from the book to start a lean gain of roughly 1.5 lbs a month as i read the nutrition book in just 3 days..now onto the training one…i cant wait to change my diet and training with research based knowledge and really learn how my body works and works the most efficiently on…….love the depth that you cover with these books thanks once again man i love reading them.

        Thank you, i think this really changed my life and makes everything so much easier! It’s awesome

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        • Eric Helms

          You’re very welcome, good luck and good gains to you!

          Reply
  182. Tarik

    Hi Eric . Thanks a lot for getting back to me really appreciate it. Just one more quick question: what are numbers from where low cardio starts and where ends? Same for medium intensity? How to know that? Heart beat percentage?
    I feel like my cortisol levels are very high right now so im trying to do as much low intensity cardio and not medium and hit because im sure they causing much more stress on body. Trying to get back my hormone level get to normal. Thats why im very curious about numbers for cardio effort.

    Thanks a lot

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Tarik this is in the book. If you want to use cardio keep it to the limits for total cardio per week and for high intensity cardio which causes the most stress. You also don’t have any idea what your cortisol levels are and you never need to worry about managing your hormones, just your recovery.

      Reply
  183. Robin

    Hi,

    I tried finding an answer for this but couldn’t.
    Why does your team prefer a wave loading progression as compared to double progression for the main compound lifts? What are the pros and cons of both?
    Thank you!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      I would say that’s not an accurate translation. Double progression is slower and thus is used on isolation exercises where you make smaller jumps in load. Faster progression via wave loading is used on compounds where larger increases in load are still a small percentage of your absolute strength.

      Reply
  184. Patrik

    Are these two books only on english available?

    Reply
  185. Harley

    Hi, i noticed that there also is the macro calculator that comes with these books as well…that is awesome….one ? i had was that for a little over a year i have had a really high protein intake and a moderate carb intake…when switching to what is suggested on the calculator which puts me at 2.5g/kg of protein that drops me about 100 grams of protein then what i have been taking for a long time and ups my carbs by a ton…will this be bad to switch to right away and cause a negative affect to my physique since my current coaches have had me on that kind of macro split which is different than what yo guys recommend..thanks for adding in this book that is not even mentioned when paying for the package ….i love it already..so much info, i dont even know which book to read first haha…

    once i finish my next 8 weeks with the coach i am currently with now, i am not gonna get another coach and instead going to try and do things myself with the knowledge i will learn from these book

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  186. Marvin D

    Hey guys, great books!

    My question is about workload while cutting. When my strength starts dropping on an exercises where I used to do e.g. 3 sets of 8-12 reps with a certain weight and now I have to lower the weight, would it be a smart move to use the lower weight but instead do 4 sets of the exercise to keep the weekly workload around the same? I understand that this is contrary to the idea to cut workout volume during the diet due to the worse recovery from less food but wouldn’t a consistent workload during the cut ensure muscle retention better than lowering the volume (if I am still able to recover from it of course)?

    And also, is it acceptable to take longer rest breaks between the exercises when dieting, if that ensures that I am strong enough to use the same weights that were used the previous week? The equal volume should be, according to the pyramid, more important than the potential metabolic fatigue of the shorter rest time that I am then missing out on.

    Best regards from Germany and thanks in advance

    Marvin

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Marvin, thanks for the questions.
      Not that these are the only answers, but you’re my opinion so here we go:
      1. I’d aim to keep the load on the bar and reduce sets rather than vice versa.
      2. I’d keep them the same so that you’re comparing like for like.

      Reply
  187. Carlos

    Hi. How can I see the book I purchased. I accidentally deleted the email link.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Carlos, sorry for the inconvenience. Send us an email on the address at the top of the page.

      Reply
  188. Robin

    Hi, firstly thank you for the amazing book! Just have a couple questions (:

    1) For antagonistic pairing sets, the book suggest push exercise 1, rest 2 minutes, pull exercise 2, rest 2minutes, repeat. Wouldn’t that be around 4.5 minutes between each push exercise? Isn’t that a tad bit too long for an optimal rest period?

    2) For the third and fourth upper body exercise if i don’t do antagonistic pairing sets, the book recommended at least 2.5 minutes of rest between the compound exercises. Is the focus for these secondary compound exercises here metabolic fatigue, or still progressive tension overload. if it’s the former, would a shorter rest period be more beneficial?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Please reread the section on rest periods it seems you are under the impression that short rest periods can aid hypertrophy when this is not the case.

      Reply
  189. James

    Hi guys i have a question regarding the Intermediate BB Program.
    I currently do weighted back extensions with 45lbs and there are no bigger plates available in my gym.
    Also, i have an anterior pelvic tilt so it may be conterproductive either way to train my lower back specifically.
    Do you have a recommendation which exercise could replace it? The pull workout seems to be very short when i just cut out the weighted back extension.
    I would 1. either add a set or two on every back movement 2. add another back movement or 3. keep doing 3x12x45 every training session. What’s your suggestion? Thanks!!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      James, first and foremost get the APT checked out before potentially exacerbating an already existing issue. Another back exercise may not be what you need right now. Eric Cressey, Tony Gentilcore and Dean Somerset’s websites are excellent for this stuff. You may need to change up your programming considerably, but the broad principles in the books will still hold.

      Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Susan, sorry for the inconvenience. Send us an email on the address at the top of the page.

      Reply
  190. Ross

    Sorry for beating this topic in so many angles, but can you widen the rep range on a wave loading run?

    Ex. 3-5 becomes 2-6

    Just started Intermediate Bodybuilding and still trying to work around dumbbells.

    Many thanks.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      You can but you’d need to adjust the deload schedule

      Reply
  191. Harley

    Okay so i wanted to tell you where i am coming from so it will better help you answer my question.I am 19 years old..I have been working with coaches for the last year and a half….i have been training very very seriously for the last year and a half, weighing every single thing i eat and drink, literally doing everything to a T…i am literally addicted to this lifestyle and it pretty much rules my life in what i do every single day…i am in college studying exercise science and nutrition currently and hope to have a bachelors degree by the end of next school year…i will then most likely go on to get my masters…my question is would getting these books help me out with my journey,
    1. would having a good coach still be beneficial even after reading these books, if i want to literally get and obtain the most optimal results possible the fastest way?
    2. I seem like in my thought process i need a coach to tell me how to critique my diet and training to get the results because i don’t want to make a mistake that could cause me to get to my results in the quickest way

    I have been thinking on buying these books for a while because of Matt Ogus

    so what are your thoughts on my questions i appreciate it
    any other answers that you think would be beneficial to know about what these books will help me out with and what i can change after buying them is greatly appreciated as well…looking forward to the reply

    Thanks

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Harley.
      I think these are two of the best books available in the industry. They will compliment any coaching you have, and give you a broader understanding of what they are doing with you, assuming they are competent. The books may give you the confidence to go on your own without a coach, they may make you want to receive coaching more. I can’t answer that. You’re spending hundreds of dollars on coaching anyway, these books are a no brainer for the value they offer.

      Reply
  192. Kevin

    Thanks for the reply Andy! Concerning my approx. if 220 reps for my back muscle in a single session, I actually have two back days because I run a L/P/P/L/P/P/OFF, so I was wondering how would I go about fixing these rep ranges if my body was adapted to these high volumes weekly? If I can progress on these high volumes and fully recover, is it okay to continue or am I doing too much volume for the same results I can obtain with lowered volume? Thanks in advance, and the eBooks are truly amazing and helpful!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      If you’re already adapted to it then there’s nothing to fix Kevin. 🙂

      Reply
  193. Jarri

    Hey guys. First of all, congratulations on putting out two high quality books. Yet to go through the diet book but I’ve finished the training one and have a few questions.

    1) In the Intermediate Bodybuilding Program, I understand that you use wave loading progression on the compound lifts and double progression on the isolation lifts. A bit confused as to what progression method applies to SL Variant, Wt B Ext and Face Pull. Seems like they could be candidates for double progression given how regularly increasing load may not be possible on them. Am I right?

    2) I believe we increase the load 10lbs only on Squat, DL, LP and HH. What about SL Sq Variant? Also 10lbs (if indeed it’s supposed to be progressed via wave loading)?

    3) Dumbbells go up in increments of 2.5kg either side so that’s an 11lb increase effectively for something like dumbbell lunges if I choose it as the SL Variant. Also, similar issues with DB rowing movements, minimum weight increment would be 11lb. Is that too much for wave loading on these movements? If yes, would double progression make more sense as a workaround?

    4) Weight increments for rowing machines is 15lb. Again, seems infeasible for wave loading so again, would double progression be a better option?

    5) This is probably the most important question. HH variant is recommended to bring up the glutes mainly, I presume. If I have overdeveloped glutes already compared to hamstrings and the rest of my lower body, would it make sense to sub out HH for say, a RDL or Stiff Legged Deadlift? If HH is still recommended, what other movements besides Hip Thrusts and Glute Bridges are advised? Can a Glute Ham Raise suffice?

    6) If I don’t have access to a Seated Calf Machine, is it ok to just do Standing Calf Raises instead?

    Thanks again for the brilliant work!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jarri,
      1. Right.
      2. When performing exercises using less of the overall musculature in the body, you’ll lift less and the increases will be less.
      3. Yes.
      4. Right.
      5. Sure.
      6. Right.

      Trust your instincts. You have the critical thinking skills to answer these yourself as you already had.

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      • Michael

        So in a novice bodybuilding routine.

        If the Day 4 -Upper I decided to do the compounds with dumbbells (Dumbbells go up in increments of 2.5kg either side so that’s a 5kg increase effectively), What progression would you recommend? A linear progression, a double progression or mantaining the same weight (with a better RPE).

        Same question with other isolation exercises like leg press, if the machine/dumbbells allow a progression of 5kg, what progression should be used?

        Thanks!

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        • Andy Morgan

          Sure, so this is pretty much the same question, you’re just missing the broader principle.

          In terms of progression speed: Linear progression > linear periodization > double progression.

          For all exercises, choose the one furthest to the left of the continuum that you can actually progress with. This is the way you’ll progress fastest. When you can’t do the one, you move onto the next.

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      • Jarri

        Thanks a lot, Andy!

        I do need to trust my instincts more. 🙂 I just have this urge to do things the right way and sometimes need the approval of someone more experienced than I to know that I’m doing them right!

        Reply
  194. Tarik

    Hi Eric and Andy,
    I bought book few days ago and really love all material so far and just finished nutrition book, im just confused about one thing in “nutrition book and its about “CARDIO”..
    For example: This morning i used bike on level 2 and its say that I will be using 40 kcal in 10 min and i did session for total 400kcal burned-low intensity(bike display showed) but i had my Polar heart monitor on and it said that i used total 180 kcal total(all the time i seen like 85 heart beats on polar display even lover), So different calculations polar and bike. .
    My question: should we trust, use polar and count cardio intensity by heart beats or trust display on mashines?
    Can I get little bit more explanation about cardio if there is any chance.
    Looking forward hearing back from you guys.

    Thanks a lot in advance and keep good work. Definetelly following.
    Cheers
    Sincerely,
    Tarik

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tarik. They’re both estimates, I wouldn’t trust the machines though, ever, too much variance.

      Reply
  195. Matt

    I have tried to purchase both books multiple times and the website tells me that the Card I am trying to use does not work for this type of purchase. I’ve tried with multiple cards, both credit and debit. And I have tried multiple days. Still will not accept my payment. What should I do?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Matt, contact Paypal support, they’ll be able to help. Nothing we can do at our end I’m afraid.

      Reply
  196. Wesley Rombaut

    Hi, i work 3 rotating shifts in one week. It is not possible for me to have 7 weighins in the same conditions, in best case i could have 4. What can i do to have a representive average?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Wesley. You can take the average of the four.

      Reply
  197. Tom

    I couldn’t find the answer in the book, but what should someone do when target weight gain stalls during a gaining period? How many calories should be added and which macros should they be distributed to?

    Thanks 🙂

    Reply
  198. Stephen

    How do I return and get a refund

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Stephen, just shoot us an email on the address above.

      Reply
  199. Max

    I’ve a couple questions, one regarding overtraining and the other regarding your programs.

    1) About overtraining, I see it covered in the book but I don’t see anything specific how to come back/recover from it. After (I guess) trying to push my linear progression too hard, I’m returning from a bout of overtraining (or maybe nonfunctional overreaching) in which I’ve struggled with sleep disturbances, niggling pain, fatigue and mood changes, as well as pretty big performance drop offs. I’m better now but sleep still isn’t back to normal and fitness still is less than it was.

    I’m getting ready to transition to one of your programs but I’m not sure how to do so. Do I pick a program and just start off really light? Do I start with something in a higher rep range (I’m coming from doing mostly 3×5; 5×5 work)? Do I wait until I’m 100% feeling full of awesomeness again and then jump right in? I’m itching to train again but I’m also fearful of overdoing it and setting me back again (which has happened before).

    2) About the programs, I think I fall somewhere between beginner and intermediate. I’m in my mid thirties with 5+ years of lifting behind me but I’ve only been focusing on the “big” lifts for ~3 years now. On one hand my lift numbers feel really low at 6’1″and 175 lbs (Squat 215×5; Bench 190×5; DL 330×5) but on the other I’ve really struggled pushing beyond those when going back to a linear program (e.g. 5×5). When I get back at it full strength, should I jump into the intermediate bodybuilding program (as written or maybe with less volume) or try to eke out some gains with the novice linear program?

    Thanks so much you guys for these books! I feel like I’ll be referring to both for a long time!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Max, this is a wall of text, it’s unfair to us and others trying to read. Please tighten it up and write in another comment and I’ll delete this one.

      Reply
      • Max

        Sorry. My first question was about overtraining. It’s discussed briefly in the book but there’s no mention of what to do if you think your situation is that bad (e.g. how to recover, when to return to training and what that training should look like).

        My second question was about choosing between intermediate and novice programs when you suspect your linear gains are behind you but not 100% sure.

        Sorry for the text. Thought it was important to provide context. Apologies.

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        • Andy Morgan

          Sure no worries.
          1. Implement a deload week. Reduce volume across the exercises where your are chronically overworked/sore/failing to recovery. If you think it’s really bad, take a full week off of training before that – won’t hurt.

          2. Try the linear progression and see how you do, you can always change it, that’d the point of the book – implement, test, tweak, test, tweak, etc.

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  200. Jen

    Hi,

    I have a question regarding the fat loss recommendations in the book. I am confused about the cardio prescription aspect outlined in the book as well as the nutrition calculator you have provided as a free tool. It says 2000 calorie deficit from food. So say I did 2 400 calorie cardio sessions per week, would I add back those calories to my intake and spread it across a few days, add it to the day I do the cardio, or not add any calories back at all? It told me my low days should be 1400 and refeed days (3 per week) should be 1850. How do I go about factoring in calories burned through excess cardio? Thank you in advance.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jen. Add it back in on the days you do the cardio, unless you’re using cardio to create an additional calorie deficit.

      Reply
      • Jen

        Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it! Great books by the way. The amount of lives you three have touched/are touching through the knowledge provided in these books is truly life changing. Thank you so much for everything you all have provided. I literally utilize these each and every day of my training & nutrition.

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          Most welcome Jen, very glad to hear it! 🙂

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          • Jen

            Hi, Another question…

            -Opinions on carb cycling/low carb? Do they actually prove effective, or only cause a drop in weight due to less water?

            -Also, I have been cutting now for around 4 months, just took a diet break last week to which I increased my cals to 2000 a day (mainly from carbs). I had been cutting on around 1700 cals + 4 400 cal cardio sessions a week. I used the nutrition calculator aid from the resource section and it recommends me to cut on 3 refeeds per week (1900 cals) and 4 “low days” at around 1300 (more like 1600 due to cardio offsetting calories from the cardio I do that day). Should I stick with my numbers I used before the diet break, or just go with the numbers recommended from the resource nutrition aid calculator?

            -Instead of the intermediate progression laid out in the book, can we instead progress using straight sets? So instead of increasing load each week, keep the same load but try and do more reps each week totaling your goal rep range. For example, bench press: 100 lbs x 8 reps goal (within the 6-8 range), and THEN increase by 5 lbs once you hit your rep goal consecutively for 4 sets. So the following week you increase weight, but aim for 6 reps?

            Thanks! Sorry these questions develop as I reread and think more in depth

          • Andy Morgan

            1. Covered in the book.
            2. Work from the numbers you already have if you have them. This is covered in the calorie setting section of the nutrition book.
            3. Sure.

  201. Const

    Hey, thanks for your answer!
    Well youve said that a wave periodization is better suited for intermediate bodybuilders but before I bought the book i was and am still able to increase in a given rep range (For example 3 sets of 3-5 Bench press) by at least 1-2 reps per week and increase weight like maybe every 1- 1.5 months on a double progression plan (Didnt even know it was called like that before buying your book so I did it unintentionally). Wouldnt it be more beneficial to keep the double progression plan until I hit a plateau? Because i mean on wave periodization you have to wait 4 weeks after youve progressed in weights or reps until you have the chance to try and progress again in the same rep and set range as far as ive understood.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Const. If you’re progressing with what you are doing, consider carefully before changing it. If you’d like test it, split test two lifts you’re currently progressing equally well with and see how you go.

      Reply
  202. Samuel

    Hi,
    I’m a little bit confused about the advice on increasing volume on page 37 in the block before the last one.
    It says that you should only increase volume when progress has plateaued. At the end you are reminded that a heavier load leeds to a higher volume when sets and reps stay the same. So you should not higher the load unless you hit a plateau. But how do you even know if your progress has plateaued when you should not do more reps, sets or a heavier load?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Samuel. You will increasing the load. Have a good read of the progression chapter, there are examples there.

      Reply
  203. Michael

    Hi, just some questions about block periodization. Specifically the accumulation block, for powerlifting purposes.

    1.In the book there’s a mention of going from 100 reps to 195 reps over the course of the 6 weeks.

    2. If volume is successfully increased over the course of the training block, however intensity does not change, would this still be a successful training cycle? Or must volume increase be accompanied by intensity increases. I imagine both would be the best case scenario, however intensity increases would be minimal at best since the increasing volume would induce large amounts of fatigue right?

    3. Would it make sense to run multiple accumulation blocks for a skinny lifter lacking muscle mass? E.g. 2-3 runs of 6 week blocks, before transitioning into 4 weeks of intensification and 2 weeks of peaking.

    4. The book recommends 2/3rds of volume coming from 4-6 rep range for strength. For a lifter lacking muscle mass aiming to maximize strength, would it be superior to utilize 6-12 rep ranges for the purpose of accumulating more volume for hypertrophy, which in turn would improve strength?

    5. Is undulation on a frequent basis necessary in block periodized training? Let’s say I only did sets of 8 during my accumulation block, but the next block (accumulation) i do sets of 10, and the block after (intensification) sets of 4 etc. Basically undulating each block rather than undulating in a daily/weekly fashion. Would either one be acceptable, or is one superior to the other (even in the slightest)?

    Thanks so much

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Michael, thanks for the questions.

      1. Yes, successful.
      2. Right.
      3. Theoretically, yes. But a skinny lifter lacking muscle mass won’t need to worry about accumulation blocks and the like yet. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that if they have been concerning themselves with such things and not growing, it’s probably a case of “too much theory, not enough effort” that’s been holding them back. Really common. Causes people to jump from novice progressions to intermediate and advanced progressions too soon, and in vain.
      4. Well, we could chase our tails in theory loops on this one. For those looking to focus on strength, go with the recommendations for that in the book.
      5. I believe DUP or WUP would be superior to changing it up over blocks.

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  204. Kevin

    Hey Matt, I have a question concerning volume. After reading the eBook for training, I was wondering how would one go about changing volume of their current program (in my case is about 220+ per session) to the recommended/beneficial range, in the book the beneficial and recommended rep range per muscle group was 40-70 per session, currently I am doing a P/P/L and some session I do up to 220+ reps per muscle group, for example on a pull day I would do 220+ reps for back muscles.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Kevin, thanks for the question. The recommendation is 40-70 reps per muscle group, 2-3 times per week. So, that’s 80-210 reps across a week. If you’re just doing your back the once then you’re actually just outside of those guidelines, which are just approximations anyway. Thus, if you’re progressing, then don’t worry about it.

      Reply
  205. Maria Vouga

    How does hypothyroidism affect in the level 1 (energy balance) calculations?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Maria, TDEE will be lower. Here‘s more on the subject. Any questions regarding this needs to be directed towards a doctor.

      Reply
  206. rob

    Eric, in terms of protein intake when dieting/gaining say if ones in a deficit and is hitting at least 1 gram per lb lbm protein and at the 10% bf mark if they are cutting on a higher carb intake and tend to be getting a majority of their protein from carb sources say oatmeal/rice/vegetable and roughly half from whole sources is this an issue as not much “complete proteins” are being consumed even though total protein intake consistently being met?

    Reply
    • rob

      Andy whats your thoughts on this? from my question regarding protein?

      Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Carbs don’t typically go up on a diet as someone gets leaner and this intake is below my cutting recommendation in the book but it would still be very unlikely that anymore than 20 to 30g of protein would be coming from carb sources per day unless an extremely high carb intake was used.

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  207. Brad M

    Guys, question relating to cardio. As I approach my bulking phase, I want to continue doing at least 3 days worth of cardio. My nutrition strategy is to add ~200 cal over maintenance, and top up, averaged across the week, additional cals from the cardio.

    You reference a table with cals burned per 10′ blocks (I think 10), although this in no way correlates to what my Garmin states I burn. I know this isn’t a real number, but I usually use about 80% of what it outputs in my calculations. This is still a good number off from the values given in the book.

    So, other than try it and see, do you feel these are very real numbers for the average trainee? Or, as with all things, simply a good base to launch the “try it and see” from?

    I have also factored in the cals I spent being alive for the duration of the cardio session, but the numbers are still a fair ways off.

    P.S. Please stop linking to other books in here, I’m going broke 🙂

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Brad, thanks for the questions.

      Due to the inaccuracies in their measurement methods, and then the fixation it brings people using them on adjusting calorie intake on a day by day basis, I personally think that using activity trackers is asking for trouble. (The others may feel different, they are free to chime in.)

      That said, people go bat shit for gadgets in the $100-200 range, especially when they can justify the splurge to themselves as it’s for their health goals. For this reason, the sale will not cease any time soon, nor will the marketing hype surrounding how accurate they claim to be.

      Im my opinion you’re better off binning the device (or auctioning it), and fixing your calorie expenditure based on the recommendations in the book. They will likely give closer estimate, and though they may be inaccurate, it will be consistently so, which is important. Don’t fall for the sunk cost fallacy and continue using it to your own potential detriment.

      PS: No more books for the foreseeable future from me. I’m all typed out after last year, and they covered the topics I wanted to cover. If I have additions I will just update them. YOUR WALLET IS SAFE! 😀

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      • Brad M

        Thanks Andy. I don’t don’t have the Garmin to track cals specifically, I’m a runner and use it for tracking distance, pace, etc. So well worth the cost for me for the functions I use. And I get it at cost, so… 🙂
        But my newest version has a reasonable accurate HR meter built in (compared to an oximeter I have) and I get cal output with my data regardless.
        I just wondered how those numbers were so far off the book numbers. I’ll go with the book for calorie compensation, and adjust as needed.

        And thanks for slowing down the book flow, getting overwhelmed 🙂

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        • Andy Morgan

          Ah, as regards to how much or how far, I really don’t know.
          I believe that a further issue is the inconsistencies, rather then just the inaccuracies with some models. Kind of the same issue with body-fat measurement devices.

          Anyway, good luck!

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  208. Const

    Hey,
    Can I use Double Progression on my compound movements as well on the intermediate bodybuilding program or am I going to run into problems if i decide do to so? Im asking because I enjoy double progression more than wave loading periodization.
    And should I really deload every 4th week even if I use double progression for my compound movements because Im 16 years old and usually my energy levels are very high and I really like lifting heavy every day.
    Thanks for your answer and time.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Const, thanks for the questions.
      1. The latter is better suited but you can try that if you would like.
      2. Yes, always deload. The idea is to let residual fatigue dissipate before it becomes a problem, therefore you won’t generally feel you need one.

      Reply
  209. Johannes Cimzar

    Hey, i just bought your books on my computer! I also downloaded them to my phone with the link in the mail, but the files won’t open… Thank you!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Johannes. Two possibilities I can think of:
      1. It could be a difficulty downloading PDF files on your phone (clicking the link will just trigger the PDF download), in which case your best bet is to search around for support articles about PDF downloads for your particular device.
      2. The download link expired. The link is set to expire after a few days and a certain number of downloads attempts. If you’ve ruled out the former, just mail us on the address above and we’ll send you a fresh download link.

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  210. Matt

    Maybe I missed this but what’s the reasoning behind decreasing volume over your programs’ mesocycles, followed by a deload, then back to it’s highest volume, vs other programs that start with a lower load and add volume, by say doing more sets for example, over the course of the cycle then deloading?

    I take it that there’s an important rationale for why you place the highest volume week after the deload rather than vice versa, but I’m not sure I understand why that’s preferred.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Matt. The one is a novice linear progression (page 66), the latter is an intermediate linear periodization (page 68). They both have their places depending on the recovery capacity/advancement of the trainee, so both are covered. The deload is recommended every four weeks regardless. This is all covered in the progression chapter, just give it a re-read and skip the advanced part for now.

      Reply
  211. Luca

    Hello, how the refund system work? Must I conctact you via e-mail? Thank you

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Just send us an email on the address at the top of the page Luca and we’ll have that arranged for you.

      Reply
  212. Zack Kaplan

    When losing weight at what point should I use the new to determine maintenance and intake calories. I’m about 15lbs down in 2 months, going on a diet break for 2 weeks. Just don’t want to think my maintenance calories are higher than they should be.
    Thank you
    Zack

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Zack. To find maintenance calories for the diet break just add back in your weekly average weight loss in pounds multiplied by 500 each day.

      So, if you’ve been losing 0.5 lbs per week, then add in 250 kcal each day to bring yourself to maintenance. Technically, this will bring you to something I’d call “diet condition maintenance”, not regular metabolic maintenance, but that’s what you need to do for now, until you’re looking to end your diet. When you are, you can read more about coming up to maintenance and the differences I mentioned here:
      How Do I Find Maintenance Calorie Intake After Dieting?

      Reply
  213. Tom

    Hello. I am an intermediate with physique/bodybuilding goals. Could I run the intermediate Lower/Upper/Lower/push/pull as Lower A/push A/pull A/Lower B/push B/pull B/off instead of using the strength days? I would just be repeating the Lower/push/pull layout provided with different exercises on A and B days but still following the same rep/set scheme provided. Reason for this is that I have a condition that prevents me from lifting heavy in the low rep ranges with squats and deadlifts.

    Thanks and great work!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Tom. Sure, that could work. Give it a go and see how you get on.

      Reply
  214. Corey Loudon

    Hi, i recently purchased the ebooks and was wondering how to find the special page on the website with the spreadsheet calculation aid ?? Can’t find it anywhere.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Corey.
      It’s here. The title in the resources section is a clickable link and you’ll see the password there.

      Reply
      • Matt

        Hi Andy, just FYI, I’ve tried multiple times to get the spreadsheet to work in Google Chrome but it fails every time (the spreadsheet loads but some of the calculations don’t work and it’s a struggle to work many of the drop-down boxes).

        It works fine for me with Internet Explorer, though under Level 2 (Macros), it shows a breakdown for “Normal Days” and then below it there is nothing where it looks as if there’s space for something else, which is weird. Dunno if that’s how it’s suppose to be or not (i.e. is there is an alternative to “Normal Days”, whatever that means?)

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          Matt, thanks for letting me know. As soon as it was created I knew it would prove difficult for some people using some software, we’ve taken it as far as we could without scrapping it completely. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how few people have had issues and sorry you’re one of those affected.

          As for the “normal days” this refers to any day that isn’t a refeed. If you’ve chosen the “lean gain” option then this will be the only option and there won’t be any refeed days present in the form. Likewise for those choosing a “cutting phase” but opting out of having refeed days.

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      • Corey

        Thanks alot! The books are awesome guys!

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          Thanks Corey, appreciated and you’re most welcome.

          Reply
  215. Andre

    One disconnect in the strength community that I see is that many claim that volume must go up over time to progress. I understand that “weight” is a contributor to volume but if strength stalls, the answer is typically to “do more work” which means sets/reps, assuming that one can recover from it.

    However, other respected coaches and athletes says that as an athlete gets stronger, they typically need less sets because of a prolonged SRA (Strength/Recovery/Adaptation) curve and their ability to do more volume with fewer sets because of how strong they are.

    Both make sense to me in certain ways yet they both contradict one another. What are your thoughts on this matter? What am I missing?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Andre.
      “What are your thoughts on this matter?”
      – The former. You’ll see this covered thoroughly in the VIF chapter of the training book.

      Reply
  216. Chris Ellis

    Ok so another question. Vitamin D3 was a suggested supplement to take. All of the D3 products that I have found have olive oil in them and they don’t say how much it contains in each pill. Now do we have to include that in with our fat Macros? And if so how do we go about this if it doesn’t give the value? Or is it so small that it doesn’t matter? Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      All fat counts, but as that is such a small amount it’s probably not worth counting.

      Reply
  217. Paras

    Hi guys, I have been in a deficit for 2 months now, and i want to figure out my maintenance, will the 2 week method still work ?(assuming i use the same caloric intake for 2 weeks)

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  218. Jack

    Hi,

    As someone who has been training for almost 3 years but has an extremely poor bench (under 225lb) would I be considered a novice and should I aim to progress using a lower rep linear based approach (5×5) or would I consider myself an intermediate and progress in a DUP fashion. Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jack. See the chapter on progression, note that the Novice, Intermediate and Advanced categories are not about how much you lift, but how well you recover. You’ll see guidelines there for you.

      Reply
  219. Jennifer Behlmaier

    Hi,

    So I consider myself an “intermediate” currently with my weight training. I’ve been following a “Lower/Push/Pull/Off/Lower/Push/Pull/Off” (keeps repeating), which is similar to the layout you included in the book for an intermediate bodybuilding program and I typically end up lifting 5 times a week. Would you recommend I follow the 5 day split you lay out, or stick with my current LPP split? I have found great progress hitting each muscle about twice per week. Also, should the workouts stay the same for each LPP workout, or should I do like LPP “A” and then LPP “B” workouts?

    Also, how would you recommend going about adding “strength” exercises into the training? I have seen people who rotate strength workouts with their A and B days (performing only the compound movements as their strength exercises, isolation done in the “hypertrophy” range). Just looking for some feedback, thank you!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jennifer, if you are making good progress with what you are currently doing, why change it?

      Reply
  220. Paras

    If i was to aim to lose 1.5% of my body weight/week, by using the single day refeeds, would i ever plateau is losing weight ? and if i do what kind adjustments do i make ? would i have to re calculate my maintenance and and start from there again ?
    THANKS ALOT GUYS I REALLY LOVE THIS BOOK

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  221. Santiago Nannini Velutini

    Hi, im Santiago from Venezuela, i read and view the nutritional videos and now I’m doing as you said, but I’m confused in the Macronutrients case of the pyramid, if i have to eat in a meal 120grs of Protein and 140grs of Carbs, that means that i have to serve me 120 grs of chicken or meat and 140 grs of rice? or i have to follow the nutritional facts of the chicken and rice that for example said that 170grs of rice have 45gr of carbs, so i will have to serve me 528grs of rice to eat 140 grs of Carbs???

    Hoping your comments.

    Santiago Nannini Velutini

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Santiago. See the resources section at the end of the books for links to food calculators.

      Reply
  222. Chris Ellis

    So I just read the books and they are absolutely amazing! Thank you for this information. I had a question about the Refeed days. So I do track my Macros and the book did mention that you have to lower your calories if you want a Refeed day. But then it said leave Protein and Fats the same just raise your Carbs to maintenance level. So did I read this wrong or is that the correct way, just raise my carbs and leave everything else the same on a Refeed day?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Chris, thanks for the question. You’ve confused a couple of things. The way you do the refeed is described correctly: Increase your carb intake, leave the other macros alone. However you need to account for the increase in caloric intake on that day by subtracting from the rest of the days in the week to ensure the calorie balance is maintained for the week.

      Reply
      • Chris Ellis

        So could I just drop my protein and fat and raise my carbs on my Refeed day to keep calorie balance instead of dropping them for the week to maintain? Would this also work?

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          You could, but I wouldn’t unless this is a deal-breaker in terms of your adherence. Protein is important for reasons covered in the macros chapter.

          Reply
  223. Abi Durrant

    Hi Eric and Andy,

    I have looked through this page to no avail so apologies if this question has already been answered. As a female looking to build up her glutes, how would you recommend programming these targeted exercises in? Could I include instead of calf exercises on lower days for example? Or would you recommend having less volume on upper body and spread out program into 3 lower body days and 2 upper?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Abi. Add in some extra glute targeting exercises two days a week perhaps. Isolation work on these are generally fairly easy to recover from, just work your way up in intensity so you don’t cripple yourself with DOMS initially and the impact to the rest of your training will be minimal and you can probably get away with not changing (or swapping out) other exercises.

      Reply
  224. Khalifa

    Hi,

    Is there a possibility of purchasing a hard copy now or in the near feature?

    Thanks,
    Khalifa

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Khalifa. We’re looking into it, but if we do go ahead it won’t be till the second half of the year.

      Reply
  225. Pau

    Hi Guys,

    First of all awesome books, one of the bests investment i made in fitness to date! (along with Lyle’s books)

    I have a pair of questions about the Novice Bodybuilding routine and a suggestion for the next update, there I go:

    1- Wouldn’t you add some reverse flies, face pulls or Y prone lift? Maybe 2×15 the 2 day, using APS with flies. Just to promote shoulder health.

    2- I don’t understand a little thing about the novice progression:

    “If you can’t complete all sets and reps as assigned with the same load (ideally within the RPE range), do not increase load on the same day the next week, attempt the same weight again”

    How do you do it?
    For instance, (I’ll take the 3×15 flies as a example) I start the first set of flies within the low range of RPE (7), next set I hit a 8 of RPE and the last one would be 8’5 or 9. What should I do?
    – Stop the reps as soon as I hit the high range of the RPE allowed (8) and finish the workout with these sets of flies: 1×15, 1×15, 1×13 – Mantaining weight next week and trying to finish all the reps within the RPE range.
    – Finish all the sets and reps – Mantaining weight next week and trying to finish all sets within a lower RPE.
    If I don’t hit the RPE range allowed the second week? Would this be what you call a “stall”?

    3- Suggestion: I would like you to link a little both books, that is to say: What possible changes to do in the training when mantaining, or if I’m bulking and start to transition to def. do I mantain the same volume?
    I know it’s been answered in this FAQ, but it would be nice to be added in the books.

    PD: Sorry for my english

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Pau, thanks for the questions.
      1. You could do that You’ve read they are good for shoulder health, but it would be a mistake to take that to assume that are necessary for everyone. Look at the reason they have been recommended and then consider how you would apply that to the individual. Same can be said of a ton of “corrective” or “preventative” exercises.
      2. The RPE range is a guideline for where the intensity of the first set in the progression should fall, it doesn’t relate to the following sets.
      3. Thank you. We’ll be considering all these questions when updating the books. 🙂

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      • Pau

        Thanks for the kind answer.

        So if I did the flies (7-8 RPE) and I can finish all the sets and reps but in a 10 RPE the last one (hitting failure)… Do I keep with the progression and increase load?

        The single leg press for instance, have a low RPE (6-7), If I kept progressing that way, wouldn’t I (at some point during the progression) start the first set in a higher RPE?

        Sorry, I don’t understand this bit… :/

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        • Andy Morgan

          Most welcome.
          1. Right.
          2. The training progression will drive adaptation which will cause the RPE to stay around the same level.

          Reply
  226. Jayden

    Hi Team,

    I am currently reading through your muscle and strength training book and am loving it!
    I am towards the very end and just had a question as I couldn’t see anything about it in the book.

    What are your thoughts on 2 sessions a day training? My friend tells me he enjoys it and it works for him at the time being but I try to tell him that it isn’t more effective than training once a day and it is quite unsustainable.

    He likes to do chest in the morning and then back in the evening.

    What are your thoughts? is there a way to make it beneficial, if time is not an issue!

    Regards

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jayden, when you’ve finished reading your way through you’ll have your answer. Let me know in a reply here if you wish to confirm understanding.

      Reply
      • Jayden

        Thankyou

        Reply
  227. Joel Viray

    Hi,

    I bought the books and love them so far. I’m at roughly 28% body fat at 259.4lbs as of this morning. If I follow the protein recommendations I’m nearing 300 grams of protein. Not really ideal to eat that much, I believe. Is the cm to height you mentioned okay to use? I’m going to try 20% fat and fill the rest with carbs. I want to cut all kinds of weight by the summer.

    Does this sound like a good plan?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Joel.
      – Yes, that’s why I wrote it in the FAQ.
      – That’s up to you. Notes on choosing the balance of carbs and fat in the macros chapter.

      Reply
  228. John

    Hi, may i know what is the currency used for checkout?

    Reply
  229. Stefan

    Hey Eric

    I recently purchased both of the ebooks and so far they have brought a great deal of knowledge to me and I am just about to hit the gym with my first session of the intermediate bodybuilder programme that you have given as an example.

    However, I am quite confused as to how I am supposed to progress on this programme? Every other programme that you have included in the book has rough estimations on load or reps increased while the intermediate bodybuilder one, doesn’t.

    I would really appreciate it if you could clarify.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Stefan. Instructions on progression for the intermediate bodybuilding program follow the same rules for progression for the others.

      Reply
  230. Campbell

    Hi guys,
    I’ve recently come across some studies showing that muscle damage caused by eccentric training leads to transient insulin resistance. If this is the case, would that have practical implications regarding macro timing / selection during the period of insulin resistance?
    Thanks.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Campbell try to find studies where the measured outcome is body composition or strength, that’d be what you base changes to your plan on. Not data that is one step removed. Plus muscle damage should not be excessive if you are training appropriately after the initial stages of a change to training.

      Reply
  231. Jose Fuentes

    Hi,

    As an addition to Gianlucas question about deloading, if you do the exercise a couple of days a week like in the powerlift program. Should you, if you stall deload the exercise for the whole next week or just the same day for the next week?
    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Jose! The whole of the next week.

      Reply
  232. Moe

    just one question if you dont mind since i cant find a answer within the nutrition ebook…

    I train 4+ days a week and for 2hours or longer at times, i took some bad advice from a friend and was on 1700-2000 calories for a few months as a cut without any knowledge of my maintenance calories. i think it maybe damaged my metabolism because the caloric deficit made me weaker, i lost muscle and i barely got out of each workout without insane DOMS. After watching Eric Helms videos on youtube i realized my mistake and gradually increased my calories to 3000 where i have yet to see any change in weight to GAIN (since the 1700 calorie change). After further calculations in ‘lean gains’ i am currently at 3355 calories and for the first time i have started to LOSE weight? i have lost one pound in just a few days at this amount of calories. i am truly confused. Am i in a deficit? i want to gain muscle. i apologize for the length of this question but as you can see i have nowhere to go. Again i want to thank those responsible for the writing of this magnificent piece of work, truly an answer to 99% of questions i have ever had.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Moe. Your metabolism isn’t damaged, you just mistook a random weight fluctuation for a change in calorie balance circumstances.

      If you are losing weight, you are in a calorie deficit. However, it’s essential to gauge this over a period of several weeks, with weight taken as averages described to establish trends. A big shit or slight dehydration, can cause a drop in weight signaling falsely that you’re in a deficit otherwise; some constipation and/or water bloat and/or a spike can falsely signal you’re in a calorie surplus otherwise.

      More on tracking in my article here:
      How To Track Your Progress Like A Pro, To Ensure Body Composition Goal Success

      Reply
      • Moe

        Thank you Andy for replying! i saw that my weight fluctuated often throughout this last week by
        1-2lbs even. i took your advice and averaged my weigh-ins while at 3000 cals and found them to be 190.64 and then kept weigh-ins for my first week at 3355 cals and the total weekly average weigh-in came out to 190.82. According to what i have understood in the nutrition book…calculating this .2lbs increase, does that mean i gained .2(3500cals) = 700cal surplus for the week? does that mean im only in a 100cal surplus every day, so that my actual more accurate maintenance is ~3250 calories? i really would appreciate sorting me out of this slight confusion about my maintenance calories, although really happy with a final gain in weight even if only .2 lbs!

        Reply
        • Andy Morgan

          “According to what i have understood in the nutrition book…calculating this .2lbs increase, does that mean i gained .2(3500cals) = 700cal surplus for the week?”
          You can’t tell anything based on a single week of data. That could be a difference in gut content, water weight, glycogen levels. Track across multiple weeks, establish a trend, and only then should you adjust.

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  233. Chris

    Hi guys,

    I’m having issues ordering the ebooks. I’m from Canada, and it says my credit card is invalid. I checked to make sure my billing information is correct, just to be sure. I’m really eager to order these, so anything you guys can do to help me out would be great!

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Chris, this is something you’ll have to get sorted on the Paypal end. We don’t have any control there I’m afraid. Call them, they are usually very helpful.

      Reply
  234. Nathan

    Thank you to you both (and Andrea) for providing two really incredible resources, as well as being so informative I personally found them to be utterly empowering. Sincerely, thank you.

    Just one thing to clarify for me:

    If you’re neither gaining or losing scale weight – Lets say, maintenance calories (and assuming correct macronutrient consumption). Is it possible to be reducing BF and gaining muscle at the same time?

    Or is it the case that there has to be an overload or deficit to move one way or the other only?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Nathan please read the section “metabolic magic” in the nutrition pyramid eBook, you’ll have a better understanding of how scale weight is not necessarily always represented by caloric intake and how indeed muscle gain can occur in a deficit and to a vastly lesser degree fat loss can occur in a surplus in some cases. For a deeper look check out this article: https://shreddedbyscience.com/can-you-gain-weight-in-a-calorie-deficit/

      Reply
  235. Matt

    Two questions about training:

    1) Just to confirm, you guys are fine with heavy squatting and heavy conventional deadlifting on the same day (per the intermediate bodybuilding program)? Or is that DL meant to be an assistance DL variation? I ask since I often see warnings against doing both heavy on the same day when past the beginner stage.

    2) How do you guys suggest adjusting training when (non-major) injuries pop up? Do you suggest not changing the program aside from ceasing the exercises that are problematic? Or do you suggest replacing those with exercises for other bodyparts, thus keeping the overall program volume similar but shifting volume/emphasis to other bodyparts?

    If that doesn’t make sense, I ask because I have issues with my right shoulder and right knee that crop up every now and then, and I wonder if when this happens whether I should use that time to emphasize the areas that aren’t affected, which for me would mean shifting volume from lower pushing and chest exercises to posterior chain and shoulders.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      1. Confirmed.
      2. First, if it hurts don’t do it, train around it, replace it with something pain free. In the case of some (mainly single joint) movements, BFR can be used (use CTRL+F if you don’t know what I’m referring to) and most importantly, if you can’t easily work around it and the pain isn’t gone in a matter of weeks, I would see a specialist.

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  236. Aaron

    I’m in the process of designing my own program based on the principles in the book and the sample programs. How exactly do you calculate and distribute volume totals for smaller muscle groups that are involved in compound movements? For example the volume for delts when combined with all forms of pressing and pulling, and same for quads and hams during compound movements.
    Thank you

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      The way they are calculated in the book is that triceps are counted in all pressing movements as are front delts, and biceps and rear delts in rowing and pulldown/pullup movements. Lateral delts based on EMG studies (which I posted somewhere in this FAQ (use CTRL+F) are activated in most pulling and pushing movements. Squat and single leg patterns train quads, hams and glutes, deadlift and related patterns train glutes and hamstrings. That is not “the way” to track volume, but it is how I do it in the book. If you find a body part lags behind using this movement, you can always add some additional volume via single joint isolation exercises (something else to CTRL+F)

      Reply
  237. Guy

    HI guys,
    First of all I want to thank you on the great job you did in those 2 books. Really informative and enjoyable read.
    One question though that I can not find an answer for in the books is regarding adjust the diet between dieting for fat loss and the transitioning for ‘slow bulk’. I know that I should except a rapid weight gain immediately when I bump my calories as a result of glycogen and water replenishment. But my question is how much weight is Reasonable to gain in this post dieting phase and how much is too much in case too quick fat gain is unwanted (unlike a bodybuilder post contest prep for example).

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Unless you actually get as lean as a bodybuilder and experience intense, unrelenting, physiological hunger that will not be satiating regardless of caloric intake, and unless you decide to partake in the ritual binging that occurs immediately post show…you dont’ have to worry about what bodybuilders experience. For a reasonable cut to a more or less sustainable body fat level, simply just go to the appropriate caloric intake to result in the .5-1.5% per month weight gain as advised based on training age in the book, don’t count the first week’s weight gain as it might be more rapid due to food volume, water and glycogen.

      Reply
  238. zachary kaplan

    How do I transition from cutting diet to a diet break, and how long should i stay there for. Thank you for creating this book, although I am far from where I would like to be, I have made progress over the past 2 months that I am proud of. It is comforting to trust in a process and just concentrate on putting in the hard work.

    Best Wishes
    Zack Kaplan

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Please see the section on diet breaks in the nutrition book, it has its own section starting on page 70 I believe

      Reply
      • zachary kaplan

        Can you continue to do re-feeds when on maintenance/lean gain? I openly admit, come Friday and Saturday I tend to go out with friends and drink. Calorie reduction during the week allows for the extra calories consumed Friday and Saturday.

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  239. Bert

    For many, maintaining quality time with family & friends is definitely a factor for adherance to training. In many instances it involves something active, and therefore can be considered a moderate or maybe even intense cardio session. For example playing basketball with your son on the weekends, or hiking trip with the buddies. My question is, what is the best way to arrange your workouts to minimize interference to your progress at the gym? Place leg training days as far away before, or after the date of activity? Train regularly with less intensity that week in anticipation of the activity? I wonder how do you guys, Andy & Eric, juggle out of gym activites with your training- but still maintaim progress. Also, do you incorporate extra calories for that day/week with this activity?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Personally, I just do them and don’t worry about it at all. That said, maybe your out of gym activities are more intense than most people? If that is the case, probably putting leg days somewhere 48 hours after these activities or more would help to ensure you are recovered before you hit the gym.

      Reply
  240. Chris Olender

    I’ll try to make this as clear and concise as possible:

    -Currently in a lean gain phase (2800 kcal currently since 1 week ago, previously was at 2700 kcal for over 2 months)
    -Does it make sense to continually, yet slowly, gain weight at the same caloric intake and not plateau for over 2 months?

    With regard to cycling calories to prepare for a higher day like Super Bowl Sunday, I would like to cut no more than 10% under maintenance (which I assume is 2700?) on Wednesday and Thursday (both 13 hour work days and no gym) which would give me about 400 kcal per day and ~800 kcal extra for Sunday.
    -My question is how can cycling like this can affect muscle gain/fat gain in a lean gain phase?
    -More specifically if I workout on Tuesday (2800 kcal), but then the following two days (no workouts on these days) are 2400 kcal to save up 800 kcal for Sunday.
    -Does this mean I won’t provide enough nutrients to maintain a surplus on the low days and subsequently lose weight (muscle?) and then be more prone to gain weight (more fat vs muscle?) on the high day Sunday (3600 kcal)?
    -How does the timing of workouts and the (24-48 hour?) post workout potential for growth come into play here with regards to caloric cycling?
    -Is there a point of diminishing return where if after a certain period (>48 hours?) you would need to workout again to induce more anabolism/muscle growth? Surely stimulating MPS via appropriate meals would not be enough to build muscle if there was no catalyst for growth like resistance training?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      I would recommend gaining at .5-1.5% of bodyweight per month, relative to your training age. Do so until bodyfat gets too high. For men, probably don’t let yourself get to the point where bodyfat starts with a 2.
      To answer the rest of your questions, simply use the borrowing guidelines in the nutrition book, if I thought they would hinder anything, I wouldn’t recommend them. A 10% reduction or a 20% increase on a single day in your whole training career (unless you are planning on stopping lifting the week of the super bowl haha) will have the same effect on your training gains that a fly’s fart will have on a tornado.

      Reorganize your training week to fit it in around the event so that you still accomplish your volume within the week, and use the borrowing guidelines.

      Reply
  241. Gianluca

    Hi,

    I have a question about deloads. If I have to reduce weights for an exercise ,for example Military press,cause I stall on progress, will I have to deload for all the exercises? Or I can deloads only Military and continuing progression for other exercises?
    Thank you !

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Yes you can deload one movement if you progressing fine everywhere else. However, ALL of the principles related to the useful of regular deloads still applies.

      Reply
  242. Tom

    Hi,

    I’ve just finished both these books – which are invaluable as a coach and I was just wondering what other trusted resources (books or otherwise) you would recommend?

    Thanks 🙂

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Great question.
      Practical Programming by Mark Rippetoe
      The Guide to Flexible Dieting by Lyle McDonald
      The Lean Muscle Diet by Alan Aragon and Lou Schuler
      Both the Art and Science of Lifting by Greg Nuckols and Omar Isuf
      Diet Coaching and Adjustments Manual by Andy Morgan (name soon to change but will be on his website rippedbody.jp)
      If you are coaching bodybuilders, Beyond the Build by Andrea Valdez

      If you want to get really geeky
      Supertraining by Mel Siff
      The Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zatsiorsky and Kraemer
      all the rest of Lyle McDonalds books

      Reply
  243. Togay Koc

    Thank you for all the great info in your books.

    I have a few questions.

    1 – in order to improve adherence (level 1) some of your material on YouTube mentions flexible training schedules. Any guidelines / major things to avoid when doing this? (E.g. Not doing all deadlifting and squats for week on 1 day, not training only one marathon session per week – probably both obvious examples)

    2 – in regards exercise selection and body part overlap, is it just as simple as considering the overlap and reducing volume for other exercises or are there more precise guidelines? (E.g. Doing 3×8 bench contributes 8 reps to tricep volume)

    3 – would you recommend including overload eccentrics which you mention in the book? If so, at what advancement level and how/where?

    4 – in regards to improving adherence as well as in regards to rest timing do you guys advise myoreps/cluster sets?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      You’re welcome!
      1. Guidelines for everyone, don’t just train 1-2x/week, get in at least three to avoid marathon sessions….2x CAN work, but after the novice stage make that rare as they will be long, hard, and brutal fullbody sessions.
      If your goal is strength: have a list of accessory movements (not your main lifts or big compounds) to get through by the end of the week, place them as they fit in terms of your time schedule. Try not to train deadlifts or squats on back to back days. Do that you’ll be alright.
      If your goal is hypertrophy: don’t train squats and deads on consecutive days.
      2. Upper body pushing exercises in the horizontal (including incline and decline) plane count for delts, chest tris, vertical is delts and tris, upper body pulling counts for back, rear delts, and bis, squat patterns is the entire lower body, deadlift patterns is the same, but a lot less quads and a lot more lower back. Consider that when organizing
      3. No I wouldn’t actually, while theoretically useful and while it is possible to do them right, it’s also very easy to do them wrong. You need a spotter you trust A LOT and very good control in terms of form. Maybe something to try at the advanced level only.
      4. You can certainly use clusters to get in you volume, given you get adequate rest.

      Reply
      • Bert

        Eric, in the intermediate powerlifting sample program tables p154-155, there is either a deadlift or a squat, or both on each training day. The tables show a 4 training day week out of 7 days. When you say “don’t train deadlifts or squats back to back” in the comment above, is this possible given the frequency shown? Or am I misunderstanding something? Also, does back to back mean same day DL & Squat is fine?

        -Bert

        Reply
        • Eric Helms

          I meant on consecutive days.

          Reply
  244. Andre

    Fantastic Books!!
    The two best I’ve ever read on bodybuilding to be honest

    2 Nutrition Questions for now

    QUESTION 1: Can an argument be made that re-feed days make a fat loss diet HARDER to adhere to? I’ve founding that balancing my calories out more throughout the week (more on training days/ evening training) and less on off days allows me to not be quite as hungry and perform better in the gym. From my understanding, Re-feeds days are more psychological (as a diet break) than physiological ?

    QUESTION 2: Is it OK to stay in a caloric deficit and continue cardio on a De-Load week when dieting for Fat Loss? Could the combination of low training stimulus and low calories result in accelerated muscle loss?

    Question 3: For advanced trainees, looking for lean gains; might it be superior to use all of your monthly caloric surplus over the 3 weeks of harder training and bringing the calories to maintenance during the De-Load in week 4 where the objective is simply to drop fatigue?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Thanks glad to hear it!
      1. Please read the section on refeeds, the leaner you are, the more they become not just psychologically but physiologically beneficial. BUT, if you personally find they detract for adherence, then don’t do them, that’s base of the pyramid stuff. This isn’t the norm for most people, but it might be true for you.
      2. Yes. No it won’t, but running yourself into the ground because you don’t follow basic principles of training might 🙂
      3. No I don’t think so, adaptation is not only an acute process and deloads are as much an intro into the next block of training as they are a break from the last, and you want to be prepared, full of glycogen, recovered and “supercompensated” (as much as I don’t like that word).

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  245. Don

    I have a question about volume as it pertains to the addition of BFR. When you incorporate BFR using the protocols that Jeremy Loenneke outlines(35 reps+15 reps+15 reps+15 reps), it increase the total volume for a body part pretty severely. So if I occlude for say triceps, one day a week, the total weekly volume for triceps would be pretty high given that it has overlap for a lot of other exercises such as presses and dips. So in meeting total volume goals for the week, is BFR volume counted in the same way as other movements, especially in light of the lower intensity. If so, what would be the best way to manage that in a program?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      First, I LOVE that BFR can be used when a joint is injured to keep a training stimulus without loading the joint, but I don’t necessarily like it as a regular training stimulus because it’s very difficult to keep the same level of cuff tightness, which affects how quickly you fatigue, how much pain you experience, and thus ultimately the load you can use and the reps you can do. So progress gets harder to track. Its also important to point out that BFR is not superior to regular training, so if you are using it just because…you aren’t getting an additional benefit.

      Reply
  246. Juan

    Hi,

    I only have 1 question.. is there any plans to make this book available in Spanish?

    Thanks.

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      We would like to do that at some point yes.

      Reply
  247. Raj

    Firstly wanted to thank all of you for producing such a high quality product. Having read a wide variety of training resources, your work is definitely strikes the perfect balance between science and practical application. I got to the templates, then started re-reading various chapters to really understand how it all fits in together, rather than just jumping on another programme I now have a template that I can manage and adjust properly with the resources you have provided.
    I am currently running the intermediate powerlifting programme and had a couple of questions.
    1) I have a varied schedule so my training days are not consistent during the week, so there are times where the 2 strength days may fall back to back (do try to avoid this). Would you recommend doing them as written or swapping the deadlift and bench around for more of an upper/lower approach to get the work in?
    2) For deloading, am thinking of using the deload week to test single rep maxes with all other volume being fairly low for the week. Do you think this would work or am I missing the point of the deload?
    Kind regards
    Raj

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      You’re welcome!
      1. That could certainly be a solution when you can’t avoid back to back sessions. Give it a shot see if its better.
      2. That can work, and you may find you feel fresh after a week such as this, however, you may also find you aren’t very strong after doing multiple 1RM or AMRAP tests. You’ll recover from lower volume, but you’ll potentially have reduced force production capacity. This can certainly work however, if you follow that week up with a higher volume (relative to your training) at lower RPEs so you aren’t having to push near your normal maximal strength capacity. I actually do this in training quite often, I’ll have 3 weeks of pushing, a deload, then 3 weeks of pushing followed by a 1 week taper that ends in a 1RM test, then the next week it’ll be higher reps with moderate loads so even if the athlete isn’t as strong as normal, they can still complete all prescribed loads…however if they are still limping a bit after testing, I’ll just chuck another deload week at them with low intensity.

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  248. Bert

    Andy, regarding the BCAA question. Currently i do use BCAA prior to training fasted (train first thing in AM purely for time convenience sake). Im wondering if immediately taking BCAA post training has any additional benefits over just eating a meal, and how significant would it be, if at all?

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Please put this in a response to the previous question Bert and I’ll answer you there and delete this one.

      Reply
  249. Tulik

    I bought and read the books, gained a lot of knowledge from the books and I really liked it, thank you!

    One thing that wasn’t written in the book of nutrition and i don’t fully understand is:

    if my maintenance calories are 2600, to gain weight i add 200 calories that is 2800 calories,
    after 2 weeks i gain for example 0.5kg and after 2 more weeks my weight stayed the same, how many calories i need to add again? the question is when and how much calories i need to add to keep gaining weight?

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Andy actually does a great job in talking about how to adjust the diet once you’ve set it up in his book on this topic https://rippedbody.jp/adjustments-manual/ I recommend this book highly if you want to really dive in. For a very basic answer to your question, the relationship between energy and bodyweight still holds true, so for example, for every .5lbs off of your target weight loss (.5-1% per week) that you are, decrease calories by 250 (or increase them if you are losing too fast). I would wait 2 weeks before adjusting (based on a 7 day average) if things were going smoothly last week as it could just be water masking the loss. Andy goes into how to do measurements so you can see if you are still losing fat during these periods where weight doesn’t tell the whole story in his book.

      Reply
      • Tulik

        Hey Eric, thanks for the answer, I’ve checked the book and it looks like the topic is around “Cutting” period, and my question was regarding bulking period “keep gaining weight” 🙂

        Reply
        • Eric Helms

          So yeah, still the same answer, excect you increase calories per week a whole let less than the amount you’d decrease them because you aren’t looking to gain .5-1% per week (the rate at which you want to lose), you’re looking to gain .5-1.5% of your bodyweight per MONTH. So I’d recommend more like 50-100kcal bumps to your weekly intake.

          Reply
          • Tulik

            Thanks, one more question:
            I work out at the gym three years, but till this day i did basic workouts like push pull, with no specific weights and without progressive overload.

            My body weight is 156lbs with around 12% bf

            1RM for squat is 286lbs,
            1RM FOR bench is 242lbs

            i think the numbers are very low for some one after 3 years, right?
            The question is where i should put myself, novice or intermediate?

            Thanks.

          • Tulik

            One more question on progression, for example I’m using intermediate compound movement progression & double progression.

            I should use this for every exercise that i do ? or i should pick only a few exercises to progress?

            Thank you!

          • Eric Helms

            You want to try to progress on all exercises.

          • Tulik

            And one more question on nutrition book, I’m very sick right now, so i took off the whole week from training.
            I’m doing lean gain with 2800 calories right now, should i keep eating 2800 calories while sick and not training?

            Thanks.

          • Andy Morgan

            I’d keep it as is.

  250. Joseph

    I am having the same issue with the table on page 131. I still don’t comprehend what is happening in it. The first column that has Reps/Wk and says 67 means what? I don’t get what those reps/week are supposed to be saying when the other two rows are sowing 110 reps/week

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Joseph, just imagine there is a pace between the 3 sets of different shaded blue columns, so you have Rep/wk divided by body parts (upper body push, upper body pull), exercise (main or accessory), and intensity (6RM or lower and higher than 6RM). When it’s shown as a number, it’s the actual number of working reps performed, when it’s shown as a percentage, it’s the proportion of the total reps.

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  251. tao

    hey guys I have a question regarding the nutrition book:

    on page 131 there’s table (the breakdown of novice powerlifting program).

    1) why are there three columns of reps/wk?

    2) I don’t understand the exercise column here, UB push are all main compound exercise and UB pull are supposed to be all accessories? (I know I definitely read it wrong, please correct me)

    3) why the first column of reps/wk for LOWER is 68 whilst others seem to be the above two numbers added together?

    4) LOWER intensity is 100% ? what does that mean (I’m guessing it’s UB PUSH + UB PULL but why??)

    please help me to solve the mystery, thank you!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      I believe you mean the training book.

      To answer your questions

      1) why are there three columns of reps/wk?
      To represent the three titles of those columns (read the cell to the left of each reps/wk column) reps per week organized by Muscle Group, by Exercise, by Intensity

      2) I don’t understand the exercise column here, UB push are all main compound exercise and UB pull are supposed to be all accessories? (I know I definitely read it wrong, please correct me)
      UB Push=Upper Body Push, exercises where you are pushing with the upper body, UB Pull=Upper Body Pull, exercises where you are pulling with your upper body (this includes deadlift volume in addition to rows, chins etc)

      3) why the first column of reps/wk for LOWER is 68 whilst others seem to be the above two numbers added together?
      Notice the 3 different colors. Each is a distinct set columns and 3 rows. If you read the title of each row in the first column of each set, which is to the left of the number, you will see that the third row title in the second and third column sets are the Total, so the total of anything based on a percentage, is 100%. However the first set is discussing the number of reps for each body part, “Lower” refers to Lower body, the number 68 is the number of repetitions performed in lower body movements.
      4) LOWER intensity is 100% ? what does that mean (I’m guessing it’s UB PUSH + UB PULL but why??)
      Lower only refers to it’s column, not the other columns, notice how they are color coded with different shades of blue. Only the first two columns have anything to do with UB Push, UB Pull, and Lower. The other colored columns have their own titles: Main and Accessory in the second set of 2 columns, and >6RM and <6RM in the third set of 2 columns.

      Reply
  252. Rudy

    Hi guys, I’m interested in buying the books and wanted to know if they would also be ideal for someone whose main goal is powerlifting and hypertrophy work secondary. Thanks in advance!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Yes they cover that and tons more.

      Reply
  253. Tuan

    Hello,

    I’m currently running the intermediate BB program and have lagging lateral delts. I was wondering if lateral raises would be considered a vertical push. If so, would you advise doing it on the upper day (4s 5-7r), push day (3s 6-8r) or in addition to those two exercises. Also, if adding these additional sets, what set/rep scheme would be appropriate to prevent fatigue from adding too many sets?

    Thank you!

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      Careful you’re skirting the edges of rule 3 🙂

      But, you could consider them a vertical push, but I would probably put them at the end of an upper and/or push day and use a double progression approach with 8-15 reps

      Reply
  254. Bert

    Despite understanding the low priority placement of Supplementation in the nutrition pyramid, I still want to ask this question just out of curiosity. I understand there is no research that gives evidence for this, but in your opinion, is there any reason to believe that digestion of BCAA supplementation is superior to Whey, SPECIFICALLY for the release of leucine, and SPECIFICALLY in relation for fasted weight training or post workout sup? Its a very specific question, and I just wanted your opinion.

    I remember a 3DMJ video of Eric describing the daily state of our bodies as constantly going from anabolic to catabolic throughout the day. Catabolic during a workout, anabolic during a meal. Then there is the overhyped and unsupported marketing ploy of describing leucine as the “anabolic trigger.” Would a BCAA sup post training provide faster release of leucine compared to a meal or whey, consequently increasing the area under the curve on the anabolic side? (albeit probably very slightly?)

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Bert. Before one of us go down the rabbit hole of high theory put potential irrelevancy in answering your question:
      1. What is it specifically that you are doing?
      2. What is it that you want to achieve or avoid?

      Reply
      • Bert

        Andy, regarding the BCAA question. Currently i do use BCAA prior to training fasted (train first thing in AM purely for time convenience sake). Im wondering if immediately taking BCAA post training has any additional benefits over just eating a meal, and how significant would it be, if at all?

        Reply
  255. Josh

    Hey guys,

    I ended up buying the nutrition book on my iphone instead of the computer (so I can read when I’m at work) I wanted to access the calculation spread sheet but it does not work quite as well being on a little screen. I was wondering if there is a possibility that I can access it on my computer instead of buying another copy. I hope I am being clear enough and not confusing. Thanks in advance, you guys are truly great dudes and I am looking forward to reading this!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Josh, theres probably a way to share the file download from your phone with your mac. – Google that and see. If not, just download it again using the download link in the original email and save it to your computer. If that’s expired, as we warned, shoot us an email to the address at the top of the page and we’ll send you another one. If you could try those first two steps first though that would be appreciated.

      Reply
      • Josh

        Hey Andy,

        I ended up just downloading it from my e-mail. I realized that as soon as I sent the message, sorry about that. Thanks for the response!

        Reply
  256. Ashkan

    Hi Guys,

    First of all awesome books, best investment i made in fitness to date!

    I had a question when reviewing content for Cardio in the book, i am currently do a 5 day split similar to your Intermediate Bodybuilding Template, and i want to incorporate 2 LISS Cardio or 1 LISS and 1 HIIT Cardio as i am currently in a deficit.

    I wanted to know in terms of recovery would i be able to put those cardio session on my 2 off days during the week or would it be better to have 1 of them after a weightlifting session and have 1 full rest day.

    Sorry i had posted this earlier but seems it was deleted somehow

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Andy Morgan

      Ashkan, thank you!
      The LISS isn’t likely to affect your workouts wherever you put them. The HIIT is a trickier one and there’s no real “best” way to schedule it – the important thing is that it doesn’t affect your strength training sessions, so make a decision, try it for a couple of weeks and see how you feel.

      Reply
      • Ashkan

        Thanks Andy!

        Reply
  257. Bert

    Hi guys, as im putting together a good program that contains flexibility for availability, the following question arises. In the case of a Wave Progression, ideally you have A B C routines for 3 days of the week. Workout A1-A4 is the wave progression for routine A from week 1 to 4, and occurs in the same day week to week. However, is it ok to have the flexibility such they don’t recur in the same order in the following week? For example: week 1 is A1 B1 C1, but week 2 is B2 A2 C2. Notice the order of workout A and B has switched in the 2nd week.

    This is helpful in cases where certain equipments are not available on the day that you had intended to do them. For example I show up pumped & ready to do squats, only to find that the one rack in the whole gym has been occupied indefinitely by a dude doing a dozen sets with 5min rest intervals. In the case of most commercial gyms, squat racks & bench press are usually under stocked- so this is not an unlikely occurrence. If I were able to do a switcheroo with a session that has Deadlifts instead, and save my Squat led session to a different day, that would help tons. When you look at the weekly work performed, all the intended workouts are still completed. What do you think? Could this order change sabotage the progression somehow?

    Thanks.

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      This can work, you are basically describing flexible non linear periodization and studies on this have shown it to be at least as effective as having a set day for each training session. There are scenarios where this wouldn’t be a good idea, like back to back deadlift days or something like that, but a little logic and common sense along with the flexible approach and you’re golden

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  258. TK

    Thank you very much for the information in the training book (have yet to read the nutrition one, but sure it will be just as awesome).

    I had a few queries, if you have the time to answer them, I would certainly appreciate it:

    1- when I was watching the original videos there was mention of body part overlap when putting together a programme. I bought the book hoping that there would be more information about this. I found that there was not a whole lot about this. Is that because is it something not worth over complicating? (e.g. I do BP & OHP therefore all of the reps for those will count towards chest/tris/delts) Or can this get too complex e.g a third of bench volume will count to triceps volume or a fifth of OHP volume will count as chest volume because upper chest is involved?

    2- In the final level of the pyramid I noticed no mention of myoreps/cluster sets. Is this a form of training you may include in future versions? I thought there was some evidence to support these techniques? (As an aside the inclusion of BFR in future versions would be appreciated)

    3- You mention overload eccentrics in the text and say that slow eccentrics logically aren’t an equivalent (an opinion that Inhave always held too). Any suggestions on how to include these in programmes?

    4- In some of the 3DMJ video material there is mention of flexible workout schedules (e.g. Having a weekly volume to “tick off” as you do items) and abbreviated (e.g. CEO) workouts. I was hoping to see mention of these in the first level of the pyramid. Any guidelines for doing these? In regards to flexible programmes – Let’s say you are using an amalgamation of the entire intermediate program over a week – any absolute nonos? (Eg. Doing all the deadlifting on the same day -as an extreme and obvious example?)

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      1. I went into it as much as I think is appropriate and there is no way to know, for everyone (because we don’t all have the same length arms for example), what proportion of the reps from bench or ohp contribute to triceps. Plus, movements train more muscle groups than we often acknowledge, which I point out in a few spots, also see this response https://muscleandstrengthpyramids.com/support/#comment-157
      2. They can certainly be used. If you understand how clusters and myoreps work and integrate into VIF you can integrate them. Check out Borge Fagerli’s work for more info on myoreps. The only downside to them is they are difficult to quantify in terms of volume compared to traditional training because there are more effective reps in some cases. Also for info on BFR see these comments
      https://muscleandstrengthpyramids.com/support/#comment-118

      https://muscleandstrengthpyramids.com/support/#comment-311
      3. Overloaded eccentrics are very easy to do wrong, and carry a pretty high risk, and have a very specific time period when I think they should be included, so not something I think is appropriate for the books which are broader in nature.
      4. This is useful once you’re at the advanced level, use percentage 1RM with regular AMRAP/1RM testing for main lift progression, and then for accessories use double progression and wave loading and slot in accessories based on your schedule and time. But make sure you have some logic and common sense with which accessories and when you do them relative to your main lifts and each other see this comment
      https://muscleandstrengthpyramids.com/support/#comment-393

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  259. Bert

    Hi Eric/Andy, Bert here again. Can you clear something up for me? On p. 142 under Intermediate Progression, the progression rules state to use Wave Loading progression on all lifts except isolation movements. I understand that these are primarily addressing the main 3 lifts.

    RDL, FSQ and any Horiz/Vert push/pull are accessory lifts. Curls, tricep & leg extensions are isolation lifts. Should accessory & isolation lifts take part in any progression while the main lifts are going through the Wave progression? Do you recommend holding them constant just to maintain a baseline volume (for work capacity?), or maybe move on to the less aggressive double progression model? This is in consideration of the fact that pushing to progress these lifts may be detriment to recovery for the main lifts.

    Guys, these books have been tremendously edumacational. I feel very equipped with tools after reading them. Ive done alot of flipping back & forth across different chapters to make sure I understand all the concepts, but I promise to read both books again for the 2nd time. Thanks so much for being thorough.

    *electronic fist pound*

    Reply
    • Eric Helms

      In the intermediate powerlifting program you use wave loading on everything, in the intermediate bodybuilding you use it on everything, except the exercises in the 12-15 rep range in which case you use double progression.

      *fist pound back at you*

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  260. Kevin

    Hi there

    I purchased the muscle and strength pyramid

    Just finished within few days

    Overall, wanted to give 5 stars towards this book.

    hopefully, looking forward to change my entire fitness goals and methods

    However, one quick question about the nutrition, there wasn’t specific information about training fasted. I usually train before my workout, so usually grab something fast digestion carbs and straight heads to gym. Should I include protein source before my workout?

    Thanks

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    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Kevin, thank you, glad you enjoyed the books!

      Should I include protein source before my workout?
      -It would be prudent to do so to prevent any muscle catabolism. Two options:
      ~10g of BCAAs 10 minutes before or a 25g whey shake around an hour before will do the trick. Neither technically fasted but the same feeling.

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  261. Bert

    Hi guys, another question, this time regarding nutrition. Seeing that carb & fat intake are flexible (within a range), and total calorie & protein count are the dominant factors, is there merit in keeping the carb & fat intake be consistent from day to day? Can fat vary from the min recommended range to the max in the day to day? Speaking purely for the recreational lifter & lay public crowd. Thanks again.

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    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Bert. I’d say yes, absolutely. Just be aware that the additional freedom there, while intended to improve adherence, could backfire for some folks as it gives them too much leeway, they miscount without realizing it and they screw themselves up. Some consistency with the meals for those not experienced with counting (perhaps having the same 6-10 meals on rotation at the start) is not a bad idea.

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  262. Ross

    For machines with bigger jumps in plates, such as cable rows (7.5lb increase on both sides for +15lb total), would Double Progression be more suitable?

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    • Andy Morgan

      Hi Ross, thanks for the question.

      “…would Double Progression be more suitable?”
      – Yes, it’s a good way to keep progressing (when that stalls) given the incremental increase is so high.

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  263. Carlos

    Sorry man, i didnt pretend to violate any rules. My example wasnt to try to ask my individual situation, i only asked how someone should proceed when choosing their individual goals.
    I mean,choosing 1-2comp + 1-3iso for each session or per week(split) isnt an indivudual question.

    Again sorry,didnt wanted to ofend, im spanish, and im not sure if my english is on point so i cant express myself well.

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    • Eric Helms

      All good Carlos no worries, and I think I initially misunderstood. Please see the sample programs as they show examples of what is appropriate for how many exercises to select for each bodypart.

      And for weak points, only something to deal with once you are advanced in 95% of cases, and if you are at that point, increasing volume on weak points by 20-30% while decreasing volume on the rest by 10-20% is a decent way to go.

      🙂

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  264. Chris Olender

    I was wondering if you could elaborate on the 35-40% recommendation for fat with regards to family history of diabetes? This value is mentioned in the online nutrition calculator and also briefly touched on in the nutrition book. My father has been a diabetic for most of his life and as well as his father who is no longer alive. I am in very good health physically with no abnormal blood work (tracking macros consistently for 1 yr+ along with weight lifting 3-4x/week for about 2 years consistently) but am curious as to how such a recommendation would apply or benefit me? Traditionally, my fat macros have been set at about 20-25%, would I notice some type of health (diabetes-specific or otherwise), training benefit or favorable body composition (currently about 12-13% body fat if I estimate modestly) increasing it to 35-40%? Would this affect fat gain/deposition at all as I am currently in a lean gain phase?

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    • Eric Helms

      Chris, just because you have a family history of diabetes doesn’t automatically mean that you are going to benefit from a higher fat intake. It just means that you may be at a higher risk (not guaranteed) of being more insulin resistant. If your family members aren’t active, don’t have the best diets and developed diabetes later in life, that is very different from being relatively active, or at least not sedentary, and eating a more or less normal diet and getting diabetes. The latter would more likely indicate a strong genetic component if that makes sense. More than likely, you being lean, active, and watching your diet has a huge protective effect against you getting diabetes, and so long as you keep this lifestyle you won’t have anything to worry about. However, it is possible that due to the potential (not guaranteed) underlying genetics that you may benefit from a lower carbohydrate intake due to a degree of insulin resistance. Only way to tell would be trying out a higher fat intake and lower carb intake and tracking data, and doing this a couple times as recommended in the book and comparing. And/Or getting some metabolic testing done. This is getting a bit outside of my scope though, so if you are truly concerned about your risk of diabetes or have concerns about your metabolic health, talk to your doc. As to the rationale, technically the goal isn’t higher fat, rather it’s lower carbohydrate, higher fat just makes you consume less carbohydrate with the way the book recommends setting up your diet because when you increase fat, carbs go down because you have a set number of calories with protein relative to body-weight. Someone who is insulin resistant will have a more difficult time “handling” a higher carbohydrate load while keeping blood sugar levels in normal ranges and insulin levels in normal ranges. But again, not saying for sure that you are insulin resistant to any degree, the book just states things that might make that more probable of being the case.

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      • Chris Olender

        Would there be any benefit (or negative effects) on body composition at higher levels of fat while keeping it isocaloric between both models? For example, am I more likely to store my lean bulk “surplus” as adipose tissue compared to muscle with an overall larger daily contribution from fat?

        Wouldn’t increasing fat (thus decreasing carbs) affect my gym performance?

        Is this a situation where nutrient timing of carbohydrates to certain periods of time (aside from around a workout) would become more beneficial over another method for overall health/insulin sensitivity/body composition?

        Also is there any literature to suggest higher carbohydrate load is handled any different (with regards to digestion/insulin sensitivity) if consumed prior to bed? As I often eat a decently sized meal when I get home from work late but am forced to go to bed very soon in order to wake up for work again in 6 hours.

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        • Eric Helms

          Chris, I think you are missing my point. There may be a benefit of a different carb/fat ratio depending on if a person happens to be insulin resistant, in the book I pointed out potential markers that could make this potential more likely. To determine if that is the case you have to test this over time to find out if that is the case.

          And please see the nutrient timing section for you last question. Remember, what I wrote about in the books is what matters, I didn’t haphazardly leave out things that are critical, I included everything that is relevant and important based on my experience and interpretation of the literature.

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  265. Carlos

    Great books guys!really usefull info!
    I have lerned almost everything i expected, i only have some questions on how to plan my individual trainning program.
    1. When u say 1-2 compound exercises for each major muscle group(you include biceps or triceps?) , and 1-3 for isolation, you mean per sesion or per week(training split)?

    Ex. I want to choose my chest exercises for a 5day split(upper/lower/push/pull/leg), so ill have 2compound+3iso to split along the upper/push days, or on upper day choose 1-2 compound+1-3iso and for push the same?
    2.For weak points what % of volume ull increase?
    Your books explain almost everything, but just cant find that clear info on how to set an individual program.
    Great job guys! Wanna thank all the effort you make for people to learn!

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    • Eric Helms

      Carlos you’re skirting pretty close to some rule violations here, specifically 3 (individual programming) and 4 (you can use google to find out the definition of a compound movement and isolation movement).

      Also hit Ctrl F and search for weak points and also volume so you can see what has been discussed on increasing volume and weak points already.

      Regards, Eric

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  266. Bert

    Great reading.

    In the example routine of training Lv 2: p.56: “majority of the work is in the 6 rep and lower range, …” However the example routine in p.55, i notice that this only entails all the leg & press movements. The pulling movements are actually >6 reps. This means that “majority” actually means out of all the muscles combined, and not majority of each muscle group. It looks like the upper pulling movement is getting all hypertrophy treatment while legs & upper pushing gets strength. Is there a reason why certain muscles get a higher/lower rep range, and certain ones get higher/lower intensity? For some reason i thought it should be more spread out evenly, each group having high/low rep as well as intensity. Thanks.

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    • Eric Helms

      Remember, this is just a sample split, if you want to see the actual sample programs, check out the end of the book. Also, the reason is because most people have a very difficult time keeping form on heavy pulling movements. It’s very easy to use body english, so it can be useful to keep the loads a little lighter. So long as you are progressing you’ll be getting enough of a strength stimulus. Rows 6-8 is also there.

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  267. BJ

    WOW !! What an amazing masterpiece you guys have put together !! This is gonna last me a life time. One question though, after leaning down to desired bodyfat. How would you reverse diet to maintenance calories, then into a bulk ?

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  268. Mark

    Will do! this is a very thorough read and I have to admit some chapters may need to be read a few times to fully grasp the concepts at hand!
    Will read again!

    Thank you Mr. Helms!

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  269. Wick

    Hi!

    Is the training program also effective for people who are on PED’s? i’t is a frequently asked question i get..

    Wick

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    • Eric Helms

      Theoretically, the same mechanisms which make a drug free lifter grow optimally, would make an enhanced lifter grow, the PEDs should just make the process faster and more effective. That said, all I have is theory since I have no experience working with lifters on PEDs.

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  270. Mark

    Hello!

    I’ve been a previous commenter, but this question is for Mr.Helms

    While DUP is a popular means of training currently, By any chance, will you incorporate any future PDFs of maybe a DUP program you’ve written out for an athlete? It would be nice to have a bit more ‘generic protocol’ as to how A DUP training cycle may look like in the long term picture!

    Thanks a ton!

    -Mark

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    • Eric Helms

      Mark, all of the programs in the Training Pyramid book have elements of daily undulating periodization in them and could be considered “DUP”, the nature of your question tells me you don’t fully understand what DUP is and I’d highly recommend reading Chapter 3 Progression, and also the Sample Training Programs chapters again to help you fully grasp the concept.

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